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Frosty4ever
2021-12-27

there's only one Elon musk. There's a lot of stuff going on at TSLA other than just making EV. Maybe not all will succeed but even if one of 2 from fsd, insurance, autobot, robotaxi revenue impact will be huge.

The next Tesla is proving hard to find

New York Finding the next Tesla among electric vehicle stocks is proving to be difficult.A number of upstart electric vehicle makers' stock prices soared in recent years, as investors looked for the next company to shake up the car market. But all have struggled recently -- as has Tesla itself.Rivian was briefly the third-most-valuable automaker on the planet, behind only Tesla and Toyota, despite having yet to report any sales when it went public. When it finally reported its first sales on De

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BorgPetty
·2021-12-28
I’m hoping this drops to $130-140 so I can load up on 2023 options. This year is going to be huge for metaverse stocks & Unity might just be the biggest beneficiary.
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BecauseOfYou
·2021-12-28
Tesla's a great company and has taken the global car industry to the EV era. The current valuation of this company is too high to buy or hold.
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·2021-12-28
What you said is right. Fully support your point of view. It is Musk who makes Tesla a success.
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When it finally reported its first sales on December 16 they fell short of expectations, and the company cited the same chip and parts shortages dogging the rest of the auto industry. Shares closed Thursday down 44% from that pre-report high, and the sales report proved to be a headwind for Lucid shares as well.\nEven Tesla, which earlier this year became only the sixth company to reach a $1 trillion market value, has encountered recent troubles. Shares sank as much as 27% from an all-time high set on November 4 through Tuesday -- before a late-week rally lifted it back above the $1 trillion mark. Still, it is trading 13% below its all-time peak.\nPart of the recent problem for EV stocks is the apparent demise of the Biden administration's Build Back Better bill, which had a number of goodies for the EV industry, including enhanced tax credits for buyers that would have allowed automakers to charge more for the vehicles. Build Back Better also includes money for a network of rapid charging stations, which would have answered potential EV buyers' concerns about running out of juice while on the road.\n\"That was a gut punch to the EV bulls,\" said Dan Ives, tech analyst for Wedbush Securities. \"For incremental demand in 2022 and beyond, the EVs tax credits is a 15% swing factor in demand.\"\nBut much of the decline in EV stocks took place before Sen. Joe Manchin said last week he couldn't support the legislation, throwing its future in severe doubt.\nMuch of the dip is due to continued announcements from established automakers such as Volkswagen, Toyota, Ford and GM about additional investment plans in EVs. The concern is that even if consumer preferences and tougher environment rules are about to create a massive shift from gasoline-powered vehicles to electrics, stand-alone EV companies won't necessarily win the battle.\n\"There are going to be losers in the battle for EV market share,\" said Ives. \"Rivian coming out of gate with a delivery short fall, that couldn't have come at a worst time. It's a dark cloud on the pure play EV makers. And investors have a lot less patience with any execution missteps.\"\nTesla has grown to the point where it is profitable and large enough to grow even in the face of increased competition from the established automakers. It projects sales growth of 50% or better this year and beyond. 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He now faces federal criminal charges.\nThe founder and CEO of Lordstown was also forced to resign, and the company has expressed doubts that it can remain in business.\nThe trouble those companies had living up to their early promises means companies like Lucid and Rivian will have to do more to prove themselves before they will be fully embraced by investors, Ives said.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1379,"commentLimit":10,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"symbols":["AONE.U"],"verified":2,"subType":0,"readableState":1,"langContent":"CN","currentLanguage":"CN","warmUpFlag":false,"orderFlag":false,"shareable":true,"causeOfNotShareable":"","featuresForAnalytics":[],"commentAndTweetFlag":false,"upFlag":false,"length":171,"xxTargetLangEnum":"ZH_CN"},"commentList":[{"id":7121197,"gmtCreate":1640625212083,"gmtModify":1640625212083,"authorId":9000000000000672,"author":{"id":9000000000000672,"authorId":9000000000000672,"name":"BorgPetty","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","vip":8,"crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":696987116,"type":1,"supId":0,"prevId":0,"content":"I’m hoping this drops to $130-140 so I can load up on 2023 options. 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