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2023-06-23

期待全球首富榜的富豪贡献一场决斗[开心]

马斯克“约战肉搏”小扎，科学分析谁能赢？

2023-06-02

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ Andrew balino 为啥每个月都在卖特斯拉股票？这人要跑路了？

2023-04-01

‌$特斯拉(TSLA)$ ‌肯定有人提前知道了Tesla Q1的销量。‌[开心] ‌，如果超过预期的话，超过前高 217 不是梦。

2022-12-28

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 跌起来真的是抄家。回到400看来至少要三年了。关软件了。

2022-12-26

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 目前情绪已经坏了，虽然处于超跌情况，但更坏的情况仍然可能发生。别加杠杆，心平气和穿越牛熊。

2022-12-05

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 不就减产的消息么？没见过世面的样子，当年买tesla，天天听到tesla要破产的消息。都还有个网站倒计时tesla啥时候倒闭。

2022-11-22

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 上周五跌的比去年最低还低，技术形态上不好，哎，不知道底在哪里。。。

2022-11-09

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 哎，大空头特斯拉CEO马斯克分别在11月4日、7日和8日这三个连续的交易日内共计减持1950万股特斯拉股票，抛售股票总价值约达39.5亿美元。截至8日美股收盘，特斯拉股价下跌2.93%。7日，特斯拉收跌5%，创下自2021年6月以来的最低水平。自马斯克完成440亿美元的推特收购交易以来，特斯拉的股价下跌了12%以上。年初至今，该公司股价已经下跌52.17%。

2022-10-26

$特斯拉(TSLA)$应对高通胀最佳办法就是投资增长更快的公司。[贱笑]

2022-10-24

$特斯拉(TSLA)$你是中概股么？[喷血]

2022-10-24

$特斯拉(TSLA)$是中概股么？

2022-10-18

$特斯拉(TSLA)$谦虚了，上一个手机圈放话是要收购苹果的。你只是把tesla淘汰，显得信心不太够，有点低调谦虚。[贱笑]

李斌：特斯拉如果不改进产品和服务，很快会被市场淘汰

2022-10-06

$特斯拉(TSLA)$天天跌，糟心。[喷血]

2022-10-03

$特斯拉(TSLA)$今晚股价会不会凉凉？[喷血]

2022-09-09

改善生活？

理想执行董事沈亚楠于9月6日卖出理想汽车60万股

2022-08-24

呵呵+2，小偷就是小偷。把华人工程师坑惨了。

律师解读苹果诉前雇员案：无证据证明小鹏存在责任

2022-08-13

$特斯拉(TSLA)$拆股前涨到1000再拆嘛，涨到1200也能接受。[贱笑] [贱笑] [贱笑]

2022-08-10

$特斯拉(TSLA)$渣

特斯拉CEO马斯克又卖股，现阶段股票出售已完成

2022-08-01

$蔚来(NIO)$差生交卷晚。[笑哭]

2022-07-30

$特斯拉(TSLA)$做空的朋友们，你们好吗？[捂脸]

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style=\"text-align: start;\"><strong>一个巴掌拍不响，但硅谷要是出什么搞笑的事儿，你就知道一定是马斯克先动的手。</strong></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d18a61554210d3f9f71c5b5465bdfef5\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1000\" tg-height=\"661\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">两周前，美国科技媒体报道了 Meta 正在研发的 Twitter 竞品，一款内部代号为“92 号项目”（Project 92）的产品——从图片来看，毫无疑问“92 号项目”就是像素级的 Twitter 竞品。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">作为 Twitter 的太上皇，马斯克不干了。他做了什么呢？</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8eeede371ce1f7a6bb0a20d5693fba81\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1000\" tg-height=\"381\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">在人家新闻 Twitter 下面留言：Zuck my （憋说话，舌我，不是）。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">嗯，如此风骚的回应，确实只有硅谷钢铁侠能干出来，说账号被盗都没用的。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">反观 Meta 内部，首席产品官 Chris Cox 在内部会上一句“用户需要一个正常人管理的 Twitter”迎来了满堂喝彩。小扎也在采访中拱火道：“我一直认为 Twitter 该有 10 亿用户才对。”</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">这梁子不就结下了么？</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">于是本文开头，双方互相约战的情景就出现了。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">其实，俩人的矛盾，早在 6 年前就结下了。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"><strong>“再续前缘”</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">早在 2017 年的时候，马斯克和扎克伯格就因为人工智能的事儿，打过好一顿嘴炮儿。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">事情起因嘛，大家也知道，马斯克虽然是科技偶像，但是对人工智能有根深蒂固的恐惧，是绝对的“AI 末日派”。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">6 年前的一个下午，马克·扎克伯格在自家后院一场很随意的直播中，突然被问到对于马斯克“AI 末日论”的看法。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5f0af195e6d5f1948d9d1979009aeeef\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"701\" tg-height=\"470\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">作为一直积极投资 AI 的企业家，扎克伯格也没让网友失望，他表示自己非常看好 AI 的发展，对此感到非常乐观，并且认为那些鼓吹 AI 会毁灭人类的人太过消极，他很不理解，<strong>从某种程度上来说，他认为这种说法是“非常不负责任的”。</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"><strong>“在接下来的 5 到 10 年，AI 将会给我们的生活品质带来诸多可喜的改变。”</strong>扎克伯格在直播中说道。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">于是，美国媒体同学添油加醋，炮制出扎克伯格炮轰马斯克的新闻。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/aa4d2bd97ce64689b7b48a73ff6faa1b\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1000\" tg-height=\"525\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">马斯克“大度”地在相关新闻下方评论：“我和小扎聊过了，他对 AI 的理解挺局限的。”</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">后来的事情大家也知道了，Meta 继续押注 AI，但半途转身“元宇宙”；马斯克投资 OpenAI，研究脑机接口，想让人类和硅基结合成“超人”。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">截至目前俩人都还未能如愿。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">但是，自己约出去的架，地点都选好了，没有不打之理！</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">接下来的问题就是？</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"><strong>“马扎大战”，谁是赢家？</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">咱们先从两位选手的基本数据看一下大概情况：</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7cf2bb776916d32e62fbf08e8c47735e\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1000\" tg-height=\"1500\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"><strong>马斯克：</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">52 岁，身高 187，体重...... 至少 82Kg，鉴于太忙可能过劳肥，甚至有可能达到 100Kg 的中量级选手标准；</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/b712ed95b7faca5e3a65688a84e0ad6b\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1000\" tg-height=\"669\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"><strong>扎克伯格：</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">39 岁，身高 171，体重 70Kg。精通巴西柔术、跑步和冲浪。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">从数据来看，马斯克这体格子绝对占优，要不然老马不会直接在挑衅推文里把自己的看家绝招都剧透了：</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ce22f06e53f16e70037ba052dbfcade7\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"910\" tg-height=\"718\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"><strong>哥们儿有一手绝活叫“海象翻身”，咋使呢，就是我直接躺对手身上，啥也不干，就躺着就行。</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">海象翻身这招使出来，大概是这样的：</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9a0098c60ad3c1acb9baa1ef574b46aa\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"480\" tg-height=\"240\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">不扯淡，这是马斯克红戳认证的：</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d906851ab7003408a1a84fa3c3fc5358\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1000\" tg-height=\"950\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: 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If they don’t improve their products fast enough or don’t provide good services, they will quickly be pushed out of the market.</b></blockquote><p><b>进军德国是为啥？</b></p><p>李斌开门见山，就是要成为一个全球性的品牌。</p><p><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NIO.SI\">蔚来</a>创始人称，已经做好了技术准备和战略规划，就是要为“成为全球品牌”而前进，蔚来会在当地建立蔚来中心，为用户提供合适的产品。</p><p>但目前在德国，蔚来提供的产品还不是直接销售汽车，而是通过租赁的方式。</p><p>更早之前，李斌在发布会上说，在调研后发现德国企业用车市场存在机会，蔚来以只租不卖的方式，最合适。</p><p>德国是全球汽车的发明之地，更是传统豪强的故乡，李斌对德国车企有100%的敬意。</p><p>他说德国车企的销量目前是蔚来的20倍，自己从这些巨头身上学到了很多。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/fc4fa0f56e1ee29ca48e71b67053eb2a\" tg-width=\"550\" tg-height=\"294\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>但蔚来并非没有优势。</p><p>蔚来的优势是年轻（笑），以及产品面向未来打造。比如最新的旗舰车型ET7，配备了激光雷达和高清摄像头等多传感器，让驾驶和座舱都有了不一样的体验。</p><p>另外，蔚来还是用户导向型体验，从用户需求出发去提供产品和服务，比如换电方案，还有<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/5RE.SI\">智能</a>驾驶的订阅服务等等。</p><p>李斌强调，蔚来不仅仅是一家造车公司，蔚来已经在中国建立起了一个车主社区，打算在德国也建一个。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/fac7ae364de234c74b096be6fc6095b6\" tg-width=\"550\" tg-height=\"339\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p><b>斌言斌语评价特斯拉</b></p><p>那如何评价电动车友商特斯拉？因为李斌说也有进军美国的计划。</p><p>相比对德国燃油车企表现出的敬意，李斌对特斯拉的认可并非100%。</p><p>一方面，李斌认为特斯拉值得尊敬，特别是在技术研发、生产制造效率和成本控制等方面。</p><p>但更重要的一方面，李斌认为蔚来与特斯拉有很大的不同。</p><p>“特斯拉重视技术，在汽车工业从燃油向电动转换进程中功不可没，但现在依然面临很大压力，如果不改进产品和服务，会很快被市场淘汰。”</p><p>李斌强调，蔚来是用户导向型企业，技术对蔚来很重要，但会更关注用户。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0509bfcbd5db9b248afe138f4cb1dade\" tg-width=\"550\" tg-height=\"547\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>蔚来CEO还被问及如何评价特斯拉CEO马斯克，他打了个比方：</p><p>我会直接跟用户交流，而不是发个推弄个公告通知。</p><p>“显然我是做得更好的那一个。”</p><blockquote>Besides, I’m the better dancer…</blockquote><p>李斌还表示，虽然现如今蔚来还不是一家盈利公司，原因是在基础平台建设上花费投入资源，但相比特斯拉用时16年才盈利，蔚来会好得多。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/aceed36c874ae58db7152ad88da2d12c\" tg-width=\"550\" tg-height=\"292\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>至于何时进军特斯拉大本营美国，李斌给出的时间表是2025年年底。</p><p>但目前美国已经颁发了《降低通胀法案》，不利于外国汽车制造商生产和进入，蔚来或许会进一步观望一番。</p><p>李斌还谈到了更多的目标，比如到2030年，能够跻身全球车企TOP5.</p><p>但这种计划还需要借助子品牌，蔚来前不久已经释放了代号ALPS（阿尔卑斯）的进展，这是一个传说中的子品牌：产品价格更低，两年内上市。</p><p>蔚来要以更低的价格，更大规模的量产销售，赢取更多市场。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2ddb0d659263553f4055045a4ef04bfa\" tg-width=\"550\" tg-height=\"560\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>目前蔚来月交付徘徊在万台左右。最近的9月，蔚来新车交付量为10878台，第三季度新车交付量为31607台，同比增长29.3%，创下季度交付量历史新高。截止目前，蔚来新车已累计交付249504台。</p><p>而作为对比，特斯拉同样在9月，仅中国市场就完成了8.3万台的月度交付。同样是2022年第三季度，特斯拉全球生产了超过36.5万辆车，交付了超过34.3万辆车。</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1611665793971","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; 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If they don’t improve their products fast enough or don’t provide good services, they will quickly be pushed out of the market.进军德国是为啥？李斌开门见山，就是要成为一个全球性的品牌。蔚来创始人称，已经做好了技术准备和战略规划，就是要为“成为全球品牌”而前进，蔚来会在当地建立蔚来中心，为用户提供合适的产品。但目前在德国，蔚来提供的产品还不是直接销售汽车，而是通过租赁的方式。更早之前，李斌在发布会上说，在调研后发现德国企业用车市场存在机会，蔚来以只租不卖的方式，最合适。德国是全球汽车的发明之地，更是传统豪强的故乡，李斌对德国车企有100%的敬意。他说德国车企的销量目前是蔚来的20倍，自己从这些巨头身上学到了很多。但蔚来并非没有优势。蔚来的优势是年轻（笑），以及产品面向未来打造。比如最新的旗舰车型ET7，配备了激光雷达和高清摄像头等多传感器，让驾驶和座舱都有了不一样的体验。另外，蔚来还是用户导向型体验，从用户需求出发去提供产品和服务，比如换电方案，还有智能驾驶的订阅服务等等。李斌强调，蔚来不仅仅是一家造车公司，蔚来已经在中国建立起了一个车主社区，打算在德国也建一个。斌言斌语评价特斯拉那如何评价电动车友商特斯拉？因为李斌说也有进军美国的计划。相比对德国燃油车企表现出的敬意，李斌对特斯拉的认可并非100%。一方面，李斌认为特斯拉值得尊敬，特别是在技术研发、生产制造效率和成本控制等方面。但更重要的一方面，李斌认为蔚来与特斯拉有很大的不同。“特斯拉重视技术，在汽车工业从燃油向电动转换进程中功不可没，但现在依然面临很大压力，如果不改进产品和服务，会很快被市场淘汰。”李斌强调，蔚来是用户导向型企业，技术对蔚来很重要，但会更关注用户。蔚来CEO还被问及如何评价特斯拉CEO马斯克，他打了个比方：我会直接跟用户交流，而不是发个推弄个公告通知。“显然我是做得更好的那一个。”Besides, I’m the better 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日早间，张小浪向美国圣何塞联邦法院认罪。早间的这则新闻将小鹏汽车推上了热搜，随后，小鹏汽车官微就此事发表声明，四连否认。小鹏称，案件至今已经四年多，小鹏汽车不了解案件具体情况，也未介入美国司法机关对案件的后续调查，与苹果公司之间也没有相关争议，与该案件无任何关联。但这起4年前的招聘踩雷，还是让小鹏汽车背上了“技术小偷”的质疑。窃密行为发生在入职前，小鹏并没有被调查美国格知律师事务所合伙人、知名律师叶俊告诉凤凰网科技，从法律层面讲，目前没有证据证明小鹏汽车存在责任。2015年以来，张小浪一直在苹果工作，担任苹果自动驾驶汽车团队硬件工程师，2018年 4 月，张小浪孩子出生开始休陪产假，休假回来后便告知苹果，自己的母亲生病，他要先回到中国照顾母亲。他还透露要去小鹏汽车工作。5 月份，张小浪从苹果离职，并且在小鹏汽车的硅谷分部办理了入职。一位接近张小浪的知情人士向凤凰网科技透露，张小浪在从苹果离职前，就已经被苹果公司展开了调查。离职时，苹果安全团队查看张晓浪上交公司发的两台 iPhone 和笔记本电脑的设备历史记录时，发现下载量大幅增加，仅在 4 月 28 日一天生成了 581 行用户活动记录，而在此前一个月，他生成了多达 610 行的记录。此外，张小浪还承认将设备的数据和信息通过“隔空投送”功能发到了他妻子的个人笔记本电脑上。在检查其妻子的笔记本电脑时，有关部门现多达 40G 的相关数据，其中 60% 的数据存在“严重问题”。苹果调查发现，张小浪从该公司的数据库中下载了文档和信息。苹果的监控摄像头甚至拍摄到张小浪进入实验室拆除硬件的画面。2018年 6 月 27 日，美国联邦特工与张晓浪进行了会面，官方称他已经承认从苹果窃取机密数据。7月7日，张小浪试图回国，被逮捕。也就是说，张小浪窃密行为发生在入职小鹏汽车前。知名IT与知识产权律师赵占领也认为，从目前的信息来看，此案的审理过程中，苹果与检方均为对小鹏提起诉讼或进行调查，也表明此案件实际是苹果和离职华裔员工个人的之间的纠纷，和小鹏公司无关。苹果保护自己知识产权，张小浪只要有被苹果认定的不良行为，就会被调查，与他去哪工作无关。小鹏技术路线是自研路线，且自动驾驶已经量产，而苹果的自动驾驶技术还未落地。两位律师均认为，没有任何证据能证明，张小浪的窃密行为受小鹏汽车指示，或相关机密、技术被小鹏汽车使用。根据美国法条18 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style=\"text-align: start;\"><strong>一个巴掌拍不响，但硅谷要是出什么搞笑的事儿，你就知道一定是马斯克先动的手。</strong></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d18a61554210d3f9f71c5b5465bdfef5\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1000\" tg-height=\"661\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">两周前，美国科技媒体报道了 Meta 正在研发的 Twitter 竞品，一款内部代号为“92 号项目”（Project 92）的产品——从图片来看，毫无疑问“92 号项目”就是像素级的 Twitter 竞品。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">作为 Twitter 的太上皇，马斯克不干了。他做了什么呢？</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8eeede371ce1f7a6bb0a20d5693fba81\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1000\" tg-height=\"381\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">在人家新闻 Twitter 下面留言：Zuck my （憋说话，舌我，不是）。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">嗯，如此风骚的回应，确实只有硅谷钢铁侠能干出来，说账号被盗都没用的。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">反观 Meta 内部，首席产品官 Chris Cox 在内部会上一句“用户需要一个正常人管理的 Twitter”迎来了满堂喝彩。小扎也在采访中拱火道：“我一直认为 Twitter 该有 10 亿用户才对。”</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">这梁子不就结下了么？</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">于是本文开头，双方互相约战的情景就出现了。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">其实，俩人的矛盾，早在 6 年前就结下了。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"><strong>“再续前缘”</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">早在 2017 年的时候，马斯克和扎克伯格就因为人工智能的事儿，打过好一顿嘴炮儿。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">事情起因嘛，大家也知道，马斯克虽然是科技偶像，但是对人工智能有根深蒂固的恐惧，是绝对的“AI 末日派”。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">6 年前的一个下午，马克·扎克伯格在自家后院一场很随意的直播中，突然被问到对于马斯克“AI 末日论”的看法。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5f0af195e6d5f1948d9d1979009aeeef\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"701\" tg-height=\"470\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">作为一直积极投资 AI 的企业家，扎克伯格也没让网友失望，他表示自己非常看好 AI 的发展，对此感到非常乐观，并且认为那些鼓吹 AI 会毁灭人类的人太过消极，他很不理解，<strong>从某种程度上来说，他认为这种说法是“非常不负责任的”。</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"><strong>“在接下来的 5 到 10 年，AI 将会给我们的生活品质带来诸多可喜的改变。”</strong>扎克伯格在直播中说道。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">于是，美国媒体同学添油加醋，炮制出扎克伯格炮轰马斯克的新闻。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/aa4d2bd97ce64689b7b48a73ff6faa1b\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1000\" tg-height=\"525\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">马斯克“大度”地在相关新闻下方评论：“我和小扎聊过了，他对 AI 的理解挺局限的。”</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">后来的事情大家也知道了，Meta 继续押注 AI，但半途转身“元宇宙”；马斯克投资 OpenAI，研究脑机接口，想让人类和硅基结合成“超人”。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">截至目前俩人都还未能如愿。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">但是，自己约出去的架，地点都选好了，没有不打之理！</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">接下来的问题就是？</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"><strong>“马扎大战”，谁是赢家？</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">咱们先从两位选手的基本数据看一下大概情况：</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7cf2bb776916d32e62fbf08e8c47735e\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1000\" tg-height=\"1500\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"><strong>马斯克：</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">52 岁，身高 187，体重...... 至少 82Kg，鉴于太忙可能过劳肥，甚至有可能达到 100Kg 的中量级选手标准；</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/b712ed95b7faca5e3a65688a84e0ad6b\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1000\" tg-height=\"669\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"><strong>扎克伯格：</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">39 岁，身高 171，体重 70Kg。精通巴西柔术、跑步和冲浪。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">从数据来看，马斯克这体格子绝对占优，要不然老马不会直接在挑衅推文里把自己的看家绝招都剧透了：</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ce22f06e53f16e70037ba052dbfcade7\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"910\" tg-height=\"718\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"><strong>哥们儿有一手绝活叫“海象翻身”，咋使呢，就是我直接躺对手身上，啥也不干，就躺着就行。</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">海象翻身这招使出来，大概是这样的：</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9a0098c60ad3c1acb9baa1ef574b46aa\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"480\" tg-height=\"240\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">不扯淡，这是马斯克红戳认证的：</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d906851ab7003408a1a84fa3c3fc5358\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1000\" tg-height=\"950\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: 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