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和时间赛跑zilong
12-05 22:48
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继续平仓,继续看好
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12-05 22:45
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还好前两天没有被震出去,反而加仓,赚点钱心惊肉跳的[得意]
和时间赛跑zilong
11-29
这篇文章不错,转发给大家看看
查理芒格最后的岁月:99岁仍在大胆投资,扶持年轻邻居打造地产帝国
和时间赛跑zilong
11-26
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结束,等下一波期权机会,还有正股
和时间赛跑zilong
11-25
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平一部分,还有还有
和时间赛跑zilong
11-25
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太好吃了,平仓,再来
和时间赛跑zilong
11-20
逢高减掉
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,转而做
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,以及目前恢复上涨的
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和时间赛跑zilong
11-14
非常认可腾讯这一年来的经营,财报出来的收入与利润增长,更加确认企鹅的发展空间依旧值得信任。特别是坚定不移地投入AI建设加速,更加认可其成本支出的必要性,不错不错,耐心
和时间赛跑zilong
11-13
后续肯定看好人工智能的,不过道路是曲折的。就像漂亮五零的工业革命时期、2000年的互联网泡沫时期,都是一次社会性革命和全球生活与工作方式的颠覆,股票市场的相关行业大量泡沫后,才会涌现出全面覆盖的新模式。人工智能将无处不在地进入毛孔,就像互联网现在无处不在一样
和时间赛跑zilong
11-10
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恐慌中获得的临时收入,平掉一半赚点零花钱,继续观察短期波动走向。
和时间赛跑zilong
11-07
$礼来(LLY)$
跌得太快,出逃太慢了[喷血] [喷血]
和时间赛跑zilong
11-07
$礼来(LLY)$
暂别礼来,今天的集采价格把诺和诺德的Ceo都搞晕倒了,市场也可能晕倒一阵子。毕竟1/5的价格需要五倍市场还回来,先场外观察一阵子,我还会回来的
和时间赛跑zilong
11-07
这篇文章不错,转发给大家看看
特朗普与礼来、诺和诺德达协议:GLP-1减肥药迎史上最大降价,至每月245美元
和时间赛跑zilong
10-31
2026年open ai上市,在明年特朗普中期选举,理论上应该让泡沫继续,多少钱都能吹得起来,因为老川不想在他的中期选举里吹破泡泡
和时间赛跑zilong
10-30
做了科技股十多年,经常就搞出财报很好,但不及花街预期就跌一阵,过段时间再回升达到新高[财迷][喷血]
和时间赛跑zilong
10-30
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赌完财报,平仓
和时间赛跑zilong
10-30
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赌完财报,平仓
和时间赛跑zilong
10-29
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不确定盘后的三季报怎么样,有正股,平掉期权,以防万一
和时间赛跑zilong
10-27
谷歌和脸书
和时间赛跑zilong
10-24
2001年开始炒股至今,从价值投资到趋势投资,再做一部分量化对冲,该做的都做过了
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id=\"id_3424132287\">逆势押注煤炭股获丰厚回报</h2><p>对于一个长达60年都对煤炭行业避而远之的投资者而言,芒格在2023年的举动令市场颇感意外。</p><p>据《华尔街日报》报道,当时许多投资者因煤炭使用量长期下降而看空该行业,但芒格却看到了不同的逻辑。他认为,随着全球能源需求的增长,煤炭仍将是必要的,且许多生产商依然盈利,股价却相当便宜。</p><p>“他读到一篇说煤炭行业完蛋了的文章,”其继子Hal Borthwick回忆道,“他说,‘胡说八道’。”</p><p>于是,在2023年5月,芒格买入了煤炭生产商Consol Energy的股票,并在同年晚些时候购入了冶金煤生产商<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMR\">Alpha Metallurgical</a> Resources的股份。<strong>到他去世时,Consol的股价已翻倍,Alpha的股价也大幅上涨,这两笔投资合计为他带来了超过5000万美元的账面收益。</strong></p><h2 id=\"id_1279929022\">忘年之交与地产帝国</h2><p>芒格晚年的另一项非凡投资,始于一段忘年之交。</p><p>2005年,年仅17岁的邻居Avi Mayer敲开了芒格的门。当时的Mayer在学业上遇到困难,对未来感到迷茫。芒格成为了他的倾听者和导师,并支持他放弃上大学,进入“芒格大学”——通过观察和实践来学习。</p><p>几年后,当Mayer与童年好友Reuven Gradon合作投身房地产时,芒格在观察了他们初期的运作后,决定为他们的公司Afton Properties提供支持。从2017年左右开始,三人合作在南加州收购了近10000套低层公寓。芒格深度参与了业务的方方面面,从地段选择、建筑评估到粉刷颜色,甚至亲自决定花费数十万美元种植新树木以改善景观。</p><p><strong>在芒格的建议下,该公司选择了长期贷款,以锁定有利的利率并长期持有资产。</strong></p><p>这一策略收效显著,《华尔街日报》援引知情人士称,Afton Properties目前持有的资产价值约30亿美元。直至生命的最后时刻,芒格依然在参与决策,在他去世几天后,一笔位于Costco超市对面的楼产收购交易才最终完成。</p><h2 id=\"id_458732588\">以从容与幽默直面衰老</h2><p>在生命的最后十年,芒格开始面临健康挑战。</p><p>《华尔街日报》文章写道,1978年的一次白内障手术失误导致他左眼失明,而2014年左右,他的右眼视神经也出现问题,一度面临完全失明的可能。据他的朋友Li Lu回忆,芒格对此处之泰然,甚至准备好了学习盲文。幸运的是,他的右眼视力后来缓慢改善。</p><p>随着行动日益受限,他放弃了高尔夫等爱好,并需要依赖手杖行走。但他始终以幽默对抗衰老带来的困扰。<strong>他会开玩笑说自己长寿的秘诀是健怡<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/KO\">可乐</a>,并曾对一位访客感叹:“噢,要是能再回到86岁就好了。”</strong>在饮食上,家人最终放弃了让他保持健康饮食的努力,他享受着Costco热狗、In-N-Out汉堡和韩式炸鸡等外卖食品。</p><p>芒格担忧孤独和变得无足轻重,他选择用更紧密的社交来充实生活。他每周二在洛杉矶乡村俱乐部与一群商界人士<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/603118\">共进</a>早餐,分享投资智慧和人生哲学。他曾对朋友们说:“在我这个年纪,你要么结交新朋友,要么就一个朋友都没有。”</p><h2 id=\"id_2749423593\">与巴菲特的最后告别</h2><p>尽管芒格在生命的最后十年里,对伯克希尔哈撒韦的日常参与度有所降低,但他与巴菲特的友谊与合作关系贯穿始终。</p><p>两人每周或每两周通话一次,由于芒格住在洛杉矶,巴菲特在奥马哈,且两人都有听力问题,沟通变得更具挑战性。</p><p>据芒格孙媳Whitney Jackson回忆:“他们会对着电话大声喊叫。谈话内容可能本应是保密的,但方圆一英里内的任何人都能听到。”</p><p><strong>据《华尔街日报》,在去世前几天,芒格被送往蒙特西托附近的一家医院。他请家人离开房间,以便自己最后一次致电巴菲特,两位传奇搭档就此作了最后的告别。</strong></p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" 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justify;\">一位不愿具名的高级政府官员在周四的吹风会上告诉媒体,礼来和诺和诺德即将推出的口服减肥药的起始剂量(在获批后)将在Medicare、Medicaid或TrumpRx渠道中统一为每月145美元。诺和诺德的Wegovy注射剂口服版本可能会在今年底进入市场,而礼来的口服药orforglipron可能会在明年上市。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">另一位高级政府官员对媒体表示,已有的注射剂产品,如诺和诺德的Wegovy和礼来的Zepbound,在TrumpRx上的起始剂量价格为每月350美元,但将在两年时间里“逐步下降”至每月245美元。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">特朗普则表示,Wegovy和Zepbound此前并未被Medicare覆盖用于减肥用途,</p><blockquote><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">“Medicaid也极少覆盖”。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">“消费者通常需要每月支付超过1000美元,有些远高于此……这种情况从今天开始结束。”</p></blockquote><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">媒体称,这些协议是特朗普政府在遏制美国高药价、并将药价与海外最低价挂钩的努力中,迄今为止最具政治意义的宣布之一。作为特朗普的“最惠国”政策的一部分,他已宣布与辉瑞(Pfizer)、阿斯利康(AstraZeneca)和EMD Serono达成协议,以折扣价直接向患者出售某些药物,换取免除计划中的医药关税。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">美国卫生与公众服务部部长小罗伯特·F·肯尼迪(Robert F. Kennedy Jr.)在吹风会上表示。</p><blockquote><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">“这是我们国家最重要的一类药物,因此也是我们宣布过的所有‘最惠国’政策中最重要的一项。”</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">“这将对美国民众产生最大影响。所有美国人,即便不是Medicaid和Medicare人群,都能以同样的价格获得GLP-1药物。”</p></blockquote><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">肯尼迪声称,到明年这个时候,美国民众将因此减掉1.25亿磅(约5670万吨)体重,并表示扩大用药可及性将对美国人的健康产生“显著影响”。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">消息公布后,诺和诺德的美国存托凭证(ADR)股价曾一度上涨,但随后下挫约3%;礼来股价则波动后小涨。</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/addc6f28c4fdffb46606152d5900799c\" tg-width=\"560\" tg-height=\"240\"/></p><h2 id=\"id_864739772\" style=\"text-align: start;\">提高减肥药的可及性</h2><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">媒体表示,当前减肥药的标价每月大约1000至1350美元(保险报销前),这是患者使用的一大障碍。许多患者都可能受益于这些药物带来的减重效果,以及缓解心血管风险、睡眠呼吸暂停等相关健康问题。礼来和诺和诺德已经有面向自费患者的直接折扣项目,但新的协议似乎进一步提升了可及性。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">根据协议,诺和诺德和礼来同意将Medicare为糖尿病等获批适应症所覆盖的GLP-1药物、以及减肥用途的GLP-1药物的价格降至每月245美元。两家公司同意将政府的低价(每月245美元、适用于所有非起始剂量)延展至全美50个州的Medicaid项目,用于所有覆盖的适应症。不过各州需要选择加入该定价,因此可能会有部分州不参与。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">但Medicare覆盖的影响可能更大,因为该项目覆盖约6600万人,是65岁以上人群的主要保险来源。新的减肥药覆盖将通过一个试点项目实现,旨在覆盖Medicare Part D(即其处方药计划)下的大多数受益人。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">另一位高级政府官员对媒体表示,大约10%的Medicare受益人将有资格获得GLP-1药物用于减肥及心血管和代谢方面的益处。符合资格的患者将分为三类:第一类是超重人群,身体质量指数(BMI)高于27,或有糖尿病前期,或已有心血管疾病;第二类是肥胖人群,BMI高于30,且患有无法控制的高血压、肾病或心力衰竭;第三类是重度肥胖人群,即BMI高于35的任何人。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">目前GLP-1减肥药的获批覆盖范围更广:适用于肥胖人群或超重并伴随一项相关疾病的人群。该官员对媒体表示:</p><blockquote><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">“我们对获益明显的患者进行了准入限制,我们非常努力地在扩大覆盖与确保临床受益人群之间取得平衡。”</p></blockquote><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">根据协议,礼来和诺和诺德也做出了与其他制药商在参与特朗普“最惠国”协议时类似的承诺。两家公司将保证未来所有新上市药物的最惠国定价,为所有州Medicaid项目提供该定价,在TrumpRx上对几乎所有基础医疗药物提供至少美国净价或最惠国价格,并对现有产品因海外药价上涨带来的节省与政府共享,一位高级官员对媒体表示。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">同样在周四,礼来表示将在其自有直销平台LillyDirect上再降价50美元。该平台已经以折扣价向自费患者销售Zepbound。Zepbound的多剂次笔式注射器,最低剂量的价格将降至每月299美元,更高剂量价格最高为每月449美元。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">礼来的口服药在获批后,最低剂量的价格将从每月149美元起。</p><h2 id=\"id_2905470729\" style=\"text-align: start;\">重大价格变动</h2><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">礼来CEO大卫·里克斯(David Ricks)周四在声明中表示,这项协议标志着“美国医疗政策的一个关键时刻,也是礼来的一个里程碑”,公司将继续致力于“改善治疗效果、强化美国医疗体系,并为国民健康作出长期贡献”。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">诺和诺德CEO Mike Doustdar在另一份声明中表示,“今天的宣布将以更低成本,让更多美国患者能够使用司美格鲁肽类药物。”司美格鲁肽是Wegovy和Ozempic的活性成分。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">这并不是美国政府首次试图推动Medicare覆盖减肥药。前总统拜登在任期结束前曾提出一项规则,允许Medicare覆盖这类药物,但特朗普政府在今年4月拒绝最终敲定该提案。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">拜登的提议原本将让约340万Medicare受益人获得用药,但当时存在争议,因为国会预算分析认为,这项政策在九年内将花费纳税人高达350亿美元。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">但一些医疗专家认为,覆盖这些药物可减少未来治疗肥胖相关疾病的医疗支出。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">司美格鲁肽也被纳入《降低通胀法案》(Inflation Reduction Act)下一轮的Medicare药价谈判范围,该法案由拜登于2022年签署成为法律。特朗普预计将在11月30日前公布参与此次谈判的15种药物的新价格。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">替尔泊肽(tirzepatide)是礼来Zepbound和糖尿病注射剂Mounjaro的活性成分,可能要到本十年末才有资格参与药价谈判。</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1762389672944","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; 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Kennedy Jr.)在吹风会上表示。“这是我们国家最重要的一类药物,因此也是我们宣布过的所有‘最惠国’政策中最重要的一项。”“这将对美国民众产生最大影响。所有美国人,即便不是Medicaid和Medicare人群,都能以同样的价格获得GLP-1药物。”肯尼迪声称,到明年这个时候,美国民众将因此减掉1.25亿磅(约5670万吨)体重,并表示扩大用药可及性将对美国人的健康产生“显著影响”。消息公布后,诺和诺德的美国存托凭证(ADR)股价曾一度上涨,但随后下挫约3%;礼来股价则波动后小涨。提高减肥药的可及性媒体表示,当前减肥药的标价每月大约1000至1350美元(保险报销前),这是患者使用的一大障碍。许多患者都可能受益于这些药物带来的减重效果,以及缓解心血管风险、睡眠呼吸暂停等相关健康问题。礼来和诺和诺德已经有面向自费患者的直接折扣项目,但新的协议似乎进一步提升了可及性。根据协议,诺和诺德和礼来同意将Medicare为糖尿病等获批适应症所覆盖的GLP-1药物、以及减肥用途的GLP-1药物的价格降至每月245美元。两家公司同意将政府的低价(每月245美元、适用于所有非起始剂量)延展至全美50个州的Medicaid项目,用于所有覆盖的适应症。不过各州需要选择加入该定价,因此可能会有部分州不参与。但Medicare覆盖的影响可能更大,因为该项目覆盖约6600万人,是65岁以上人群的主要保险来源。新的减肥药覆盖将通过一个试点项目实现,旨在覆盖Medicare Part 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