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11-28

他就是用价格战最多的人，说这话有点恶心。

美团王兴：外卖价格战没有为行业创造价值，不可持续

11-22

跌的时候称为“AI机器人公司"，市场涨的时侯他死趴趴熊的

自驾与机器人出租车积极进展难敌市场避险情绪升温，特斯拉股价连日下跌

11-20

SpaceX换字节，鬼佬换不[开心]

字节跳动仍受资本追捧，估值升至4800亿美元

11-16

搞了40年这个鸟样，会讲不会做

图灵奖得主LeCun最后警告Meta！我搞了40年AI，大模型是死路

08-30

不是所有看轻人都是扎克

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02-24

他要是下几亿美金空单我就信了

特斯拉股价面临50%跌幅风险？马斯克曾经的忠实信徒详解四大危机

02-20

为什么国内的互联网企业就喜欢卷这些应用程序？补贴入场，大家亏损，然后再涨价，一点新的创造力都没？投这些企业的意义是什么？

02-19

SA B 20年前说到现在

抱歉，原内容已删除

02-09

干不过就禁，权力真是个好东西。

重磅！国资委权威解答：央企资产转让不应在阿里和京东交易

2024-12-26

听了十几年了，泡沫来了也不重要了

美股科技泡沫正在变得可怕，当心对冲基金抛售！

2024-12-10

真是个笑话

抱歉，原内容已删除

2024-10-11

打他脸

富国银行第四季度交易策略，建议做空特斯拉

2024-09-22

难道高通的高管不清楚这些人人看得到的问题？我们想了解的是看不到的那些。例如制造板块是否会分离出去独立，芯片业务独立，各部分分离后的市场技术竞争力与估值，美国的政策方向。

郭明錤：若高通与英特尔的并购发生，可能是一场灾难

2024-09-21

英特尔的代工业务估值应该好几百亿美元吧？

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2024-09-13

拼多多真的是一群混蛋，搞坏了原有的市场环境，赔钱害大家

抱歉，原内容已删除

2024-06-28

拿几千工资的人，评价万亿的企业与千亿的企业家

时代造就淘宝，淘宝败给时代

2024-05-30

T86问题就这一没底线的公司搞出来的，一人错整个行业买单

拼多多在海外杀疯了

2024-05-21

国人的公司真的很多坑

JD.com Drops 5% After the Company Announces Proposed Offering of US$1.5 Billion Convertible Senior Notes

2024-05-21

都不打个正眼看

字节大模型大降价，百度、阿里能否抗住？

2024-05-17

$(09988)$ 买股不就是买预期么？阿里2025财年指引明确了重回2位数增长。国际商业半托管真的能拉动大增长。

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src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/7707187829EA9D520B8EA4DB7009BF4EF25B70CE_size185_w1080_h752.png\"/></p><p>媒体不断有消息放出，Meta要对其AI组织结构动刀。</p><p>上个月，Meta超级AI实验室裁掉了数百人，包括10年老将田渊栋。据称，这是为了理顺这种混乱的局面。</p><p>这已经是Meta在半年之内第四次调整AI业务了。</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/E42B36BD65F4E9A36DBF8AF3228B09C81D4BB33D_size202_w1080_h521.png\"/></p><p>而那支曾由LeCun领导、风头一时无两的FAIR，如今早已<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/301100\">风光</a>不再。据现任与前员工透露，这个部门经历了裁员、预算缩水，内部影响力也明显下降。</p><p>曾几何时，FAIR是Meta内部思想最活跃的“象牙塔”，研究人员可以探讨各种AI未来路径，甚至可以做些“未必能成”的实验，完全不用担心产品化问题。</p><p>而现在，Meta新组建的AI研究部门招来一大批高薪新兵，由Wang主导，目标明确：要快、要落地、要产品化。</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/ECE39149CFF0F8E9AC3F1173BC5554567DC41A9F_size2_w112_h59.png\"/></p><p><strong>在AI上，他领先了40年</strong></p><p>LeCun一向走在时代前沿——</p><p>早在“机器学习”还不被主流认可时，他就开始研究这个方向。</p><p>他曾在多伦多的Geoffrey Hinton实验室工作，那时Hinton还没成为AI传奇人物。</p><p>之后，他的职业生涯大多时间都在新泽西州的贝尔实验室度过，这家机构因诞生众多创新发明而闻名。</p><p>1947年，贝尔实验室发明晶体管</p><p>“最让我兴奋的事情，就是和比我聪明的人共事，因为这会放大你的能力。”LeCun在2023年杂志采访时说道。</p><p>在贝尔实验室，LeCun曾参与开发手写识别技术，这项技术后来被广泛应用于银行自动读取支票。他还参与了一个项目，致力于将纸质文档数字化并通过互联网分发。</p><p>LeCun曾表示，自己从小就对物理感兴趣，在贝尔实验室期间也主要和物理学家合作，看了不少物理教材。</p><p>我学到了很多表面上与AI或计算机科学无关的东西（我本科是电气工程，计算机方面的正规训练其实很少）。</p><p>2003年，LeCun开始在纽约大学教授计算机科学，后来成为该校数据科学中心的创始主任。</p><p>2013年，扎克伯格亲自邀请他加入<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/META\">Facebook</a>（当时还未更名为Meta），组建全新的AI实验室。</p><p>他领导这个团队四年，2018年卸任，转为公司首席AI科学家，以“个人研究员”身份继续探索技术前沿。</p><p>2018年，他与Geoffrey Hinton和Yoshua Bengio共同获得图灵奖——计算机界的最高荣誉，以表彰三人在神经网络方面的奠基性工作。</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/09D6644675C1986FC32304EA2ECFADE129E6A8A3_size83_w1080_h608.jpg\"/></p><p>自那之后，LeCun就逐渐转为“象征性人物”角色。他没有参与Meta首个开源大语言模型Llama的研发，也早就不再参与这类项目的日常工作。</p><p>据与他共事的人透露，LeCun现在主要在做自己的研究项目，也经常出席各种技术会议，发表对AI技术的看法。</p><p>面对媒体的报道，Yann LeCun只是指出了报道中的“小错误”，并没有否认即将离职的消息。</p><p><img 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src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/ECE39149CFF0F8E9AC3F1173BC5554567DC41A9F_size2_w112_h59.png\"/></p><p><strong>LeCun离开Meta，或为了世界模型</strong></p><p>此前报道，他正在与业内同行商议创办公司、寻找投资，组建专注世界模型的团队。</p><p><strong>所谓“世界模型”，类似小动物或婴儿那样，通过视觉等感知数据主动学习世界规律；而LLM只是依赖海量文本做预测的模型。</strong></p><p>LeCun本人也从不避讳解释为何他认为“世界模型”才是AI的答案。</p><p>Meta的Llama、OpenAI的GPT、<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GOOG\">谷歌</a>的Bard这些模型，都是靠<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/603138\">海量数据</a>训练出来的。LeCun估算，如果让人去读完它们训练所需的所有文本，大概得花10万年。</p><p><strong>但人类学习的主要方式，并不是读文本。</strong></p><p>我们从与世界的互动中，获取的信息要多得多。LeCun估计，一个普通的四岁小孩接触过的数据量，是目前最大的LLM的50倍。</p><p>大部分人类知识，其实不是语言。</p><p>所以这些系统永远不可能达到人类水平的智能——除非你彻底改掉它们的架构。</p><p>而他自己，早就准备好了替代方案。他称之为“目标驱动的AI”（objective-driven AI）。</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/273AF6B25BF7A5657B07F12D49EEBC8D97B77AC1_size362_w1080_h609.png\"/></p><p>目标驱动的AI系统的构建宗旨，是完成人类设定的特定目标。</p><p>与仅靠纯文本数据驱动不同，它们通过传感器和视频数据训练来认知物理世界。</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/33B51034C7EE219E640017371643222B1ED8069F_size92_w612_h590.jpg\"/></p><p>由此构建出的“世界模型”能呈现行动带来的影响，所有潜在变化都会实时更新至系统记忆。</p><p><strong><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/EA67F8318234F4BA42DD687A2695DE1D0AA7B3C8_size3_w292_h73.png\"/></strong></p><p><strong>他为何对世界模型如此沉迷？</strong></p><p>在年初的“巴黎AI峰会”上，Yann LeCun明确指出，他是可穿戴设备的坚定信徒。</p><p>他认为，未来，我们需要与可穿戴设备互动，就像与人交流一样，而大语言模型根本不像人类那样理解世界。</p><p>对于大语言模型，我们甚至无法复制猫或老鼠的智能，更不用说狗了。</p><p>这些动物能完成惊人的壮举，它们理解物理世界。任何一只家猫都能规划出极其复杂的行动，<strong>因为它们拥有关于世界的因果模型</strong>。</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/60B1A2297A4890E473BD69CE9D9C9045380C1A21_size347_w1080_h508.png\"/></p><p>为了说明这一点，LeCun设计了一个<strong>思想实验</strong>：“想象一个立方体悬浮在你面前的空中。好，现在让这个立方体绕着垂直轴旋转90度。它会是什么样子？”</p><p>他认为任何人类都能轻松完成，而大语言模型却无能为力：</p><p>“对人来说，在脑海中构建一个旋转立方体的心理模型，非常容易。”</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/99ACBB5B2E39B6F9C017055D1E9CD91BCA531AE5_size452_w1080_h724.png\"/></p><p>当然，大语言模型可以毫不费力地写一首关于悬浮旋转立方体的打油诗，<strong>但它无法真正帮助你与这个立方体互动。</strong></p><p><strong>LeCun断言，这是因为文本数据与处理非文本世界所获得的数据之间存在本质差异。</strong></p><p>他指出，尽管大语言模型训练所用的文本量需要一个人花45万年才能读完，但一个四岁的孩子在醒着的16000小时里，通过眼睛看、用手触摸，已经处理了高达1.4x10^14字节的关于世界的感觉数据——</p><p>他认为这比大语言模型处理的数据还要多。</p><p>顺便一提，这些只是LeCun在演讲中给出的估算，他在其他场合也给过不同的数字。但这些数字指向的核心观点是：<strong>大语言模型存在着局限，而LeCun相信世界模型能够克服这些局限。</strong></p><p><strong><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/EA67F8318234F4BA42DD687A2695DE1D0AA7B3C8_size3_w292_h73.png\"/></strong></p><p><strong>他又将如何构建世界模型？</strong></p><p>在Meta时，LeCun其实已经开始研究世界模型——他还拍了一个介绍视频，开头就让你想象一个旋转的立方体。</p><p>在AI行动峰会的演讲中，他<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/LI\">理想</a>中的模型包含一个对“当前世界状态的估计”，以某种抽象形式呈现与当前情境相关的一切。它不再是按顺序预测token，而是“预测在你采取一系列行动后，世界将达到的最终状态”。</p><p>他表示，世界模型将使未来的计算机科学家能够构建出“可以规划行动——可能是分层级的——以实现某个目标的系统，以及能够进行推理的系统。”</p><p><img 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Hinton和Yoshua Bengio共同获得图灵奖——计算机界的最高荣誉，以表彰三人在神经网络方面的奠基性工作。自那之后，LeCun就逐渐转为“象征性人物”角色。他没有参与Meta首个开源大语言模型Llama的研发，也早就不再参与这类项目的日常工作。据与他共事的人透露，LeCun现在主要在做自己的研究项目，也经常出席各种技术会议，发表对AI技术的看法。面对媒体的报道，Yann LeCun只是指出了报道中的“小错误”，并没有否认即将离职的消息。他知道自己在包括Meta在内的整个硅谷技术圈内，备受冷落。上个月在MIT的一次研讨会上，65岁的LeCun直言：这些年，我在硅谷、包括Meta的很多角落都不太受欢迎，因为我一直在说，3到5年内，世界模型将成为主流AI架构，没人再会愿意用现在这种LLM。但他坚信自己对AI未来的判断。他的老朋友Léon Bottou曾告诉媒体，LeCun“倔强得可爱”——他会听别人意见，但更有自己坚守的信念。现在，LeCun在Meta好像“忍无可忍”，终于要离职了。实际上，他早已多次暗示答案。在通往通用人工智能的道路上，LeCun近来以其对大语言模型的尖锐批评而闻名。他认为，无论科技巨头如何扩大其规模，我们目前所理解的大语言模型都已是“强弩之末”，是一条“岔路、干扰，一条死胡同”。他投身AI研究已有40年，对AI的判断屡屡应验。如今，他认为大多数人都错了。他为现代AI奠定了诸多基础。而现在他坚信，领域内的大多数人都被大语言模型的“海妖之歌”引入了歧途。这为他的离职提供了更多可能的解释。LeCun离开Meta，或为了世界模型此前报道，他正在与业内同行商议创办公司、寻找投资，组建专注世界模型的团队。所谓“世界模型”，类似小动物或婴儿那样，通过视觉等感知数据主动学习世界规律；而LLM只是依赖海量文本做预测的模型。LeCun本人也从不避讳解释为何他认为“世界模型”才是AI的答案。Meta的Llama、OpenAI的GPT、谷歌的Bard这些模型，都是靠海量数据训练出来的。LeCun估算，如果让人去读完它们训练所需的所有文本，大概得花10万年。但人类学习的主要方式，并不是读文本。我们从与世界的互动中，获取的信息要多得多。LeCun估计，一个普通的四岁小孩接触过的数据量，是目前最大的LLM的50倍。大部分人类知识，其实不是语言。所以这些系统永远不可能达到人类水平的智能——除非你彻底改掉它们的架构。而他自己，早就准备好了替代方案。他称之为“目标驱动的AI”（objective-driven AI）。目标驱动的AI系统的构建宗旨，是完成人类设定的特定目标。与仅靠纯文本数据驱动不同，它们通过传感器和视频数据训练来认知物理世界。由此构建出的“世界模型”能呈现行动带来的影响，所有潜在变化都会实时更新至系统记忆。他为何对世界模型如此沉迷？在年初的“巴黎AI峰会”上，Yann LeCun明确指出，他是可穿戴设备的坚定信徒。他认为，未来，我们需要与可穿戴设备互动，就像与人交流一样，而大语言模型根本不像人类那样理解世界。对于大语言模型，我们甚至无法复制猫或老鼠的智能，更不用说狗了。这些动物能完成惊人的壮举，它们理解物理世界。任何一只家猫都能规划出极其复杂的行动，因为它们拥有关于世界的因果模型。为了说明这一点，LeCun设计了一个思想实验：“想象一个立方体悬浮在你面前的空中。好，现在让这个立方体绕着垂直轴旋转90度。它会是什么样子？”他认为任何人类都能轻松完成，而大语言模型却无能为力：“对人来说，在脑海中构建一个旋转立方体的心理模型，非常容易。”当然，大语言模型可以毫不费力地写一首关于悬浮旋转立方体的打油诗，但它无法真正帮助你与这个立方体互动。LeCun断言，这是因为文本数据与处理非文本世界所获得的数据之间存在本质差异。他指出，尽管大语言模型训练所用的文本量需要一个人花45万年才能读完，但一个四岁的孩子在醒着的16000小时里，通过眼睛看、用手触摸，已经处理了高达1.4x10^14字节的关于世界的感觉数据——他认为这比大语言模型处理的数据还要多。顺便一提，这些只是LeCun在演讲中给出的估算，他在其他场合也给过不同的数字。但这些数字指向的核心观点是：大语言模型存在着局限，而LeCun相信世界模型能够克服这些局限。他又将如何构建世界模型？在Meta时，LeCun其实已经开始研究世界模型——他还拍了一个介绍视频，开头就让你想象一个旋转的立方体。在AI行动峰会的演讲中，他理想中的模型包含一个对“当前世界状态的估计”，以某种抽象形式呈现与当前情境相关的一切。它不再是按顺序预测token，而是“预测在你采取一系列行动后，世界将达到的最终状态”。他表示，世界模型将使未来的计算机科学家能够构建出“可以规划行动——可能是分层级的——以实现某个目标的系统，以及能够进行推理的系统。”LeCun还坚称，这类系统将拥有更强大的安全特性，因为控制它们的方式是内置的，而不是像现在这样，面对一个神秘莫测、只会输出文本的黑箱，只能通过微调来加以修正。LeCun所说的经典AI——例如搜索引擎中使用的软件——所有问题都可以归结为优化问题。他提出，他的世界模型将审视当前的世界状态，并通过寻找高效的解决方案，来寻求与某个不同状态的兼容性。LeCun在演讲中解释道：“你需要一个能量函数来衡量不兼容性，给定一个x，找到一个对于该x能量较低的y”。如果说，我们从LeCun的公开言论中拼凑出的“真相”很粗糙、有些模糊，甚至完全错误，那也完全正常。LeCun似乎正在构想一个“登月计划”——他希望推动AI领域迎来又一次类似ChatGPT那样的、诞生惊人能力的爆发式发展。但这可能需要耗费数年——甚至永远无法实现——更不用说数十亿美元的投资了，才可能看到任何真正了不起的成果。","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"META":1.5,"FB":1.5}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":191,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":472944432316488,"gmtCreate":1756517421113,"gmtModify":1756517422805,"author":{"id":"3519254194891755","authorId":"3519254194891755","name":"T111240","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2247fe6dcaef36d3524bf1e69928a257","crmLevel":5,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3519254194891755","idStr":"3519254194891755"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"不是所有看轻人都是扎克","listText":"不是所有看轻人都是扎克","text":"不是所有看轻人都是扎克","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/472944432316488","repostId":"1115034373","repostType":2,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":603,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":406981499642128,"gmtCreate":1740379010374,"gmtModify":1740379018905,"author":{"id":"3519254194891755","authorId":"3519254194891755","name":"T111240","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2247fe6dcaef36d3524bf1e69928a257","crmLevel":5,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3519254194891755","idStr":"3519254194891755"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"他要是下几亿美金空单我就信了","listText":"他要是下几亿美金空单我就信了","text":"他要是下几亿美金空单我就信了","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/406981499642128","repostId":"1103660322","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1103660322","kind":"news","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"为用户提供金融资讯、行情、数据，旨在帮助投资者理解世界，做投资决策。","home_visible":1,"media_name":"老虎资讯综合","id":"102","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8274c5b9d4c2852bfb1c4d6ce16c68ba"},"pubTimestamp":1740374420,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/1103660322?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2025-02-24 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tg-height=\"240\"/></p><p>格伯认为，在一系列熟悉的问题中，这一趋势仍在继续，包括估值过高、对该公司全自动驾驶（FSD）能力的担忧，以及马斯克不可预测的行为带来的连锁反应。</p><p>在最新的一次采访中，格伯进一步阐述了他的悲观观点，概述了他认为特斯拉很容易受到高达50%的下跌影响的原因。</p><p>监管文件显示，格伯在2024年将持有的特斯拉股份减少了31%，截至去年年底，他仍持有26.2万股特斯拉股票，价值1.06亿美元。</p><p><strong>以下是格伯预测特斯拉将面临艰难一年的四个原因：</strong></p><p><strong>1． FSD“行不通”</strong></p><p>格伯认为，今年特斯拉的股票将遭遇灾难，因为马斯克6月份在德克萨斯州奥斯汀推出自动驾驶出租车网络的目标过于雄心勃勃。</p><p>“所有这些东西都将在今年实现，因为他把实现全自动驾驶的最后期限定为几个月后。这似乎不可能发生，”格伯说。</p><p>“我们在机器人出租车和自动驾驶方面远远落后，这是毫无疑问的，”戈伯说，并补充说他认为Waymo的方法是“一个更安全的系统”。</p><p>他说：“我现在认为，你需要激光雷达来拥有一个足够安全的全自动驾驶系统。他们（特斯拉）将会碰壁，除非他们改变硬件，否则他们无法变得更好。”</p><p><strong>2． 马斯克分心了</strong></p><p>从经营特斯拉、SpaceX和xAI等多家公司，到在X上发表大量文章，到在DOGE牵头提高政府效率，再到成为十几个孩子的父亲，可以肯定地说，马斯克一天中的时间可能不够用。</p><p>格伯认为，这对特斯拉股东来说是个问题，尤其是考虑到马斯克最近几个月的唯一关注点似乎是人工智能。</p><p>格伯表示：“他100%专注于人工智能，这对特斯拉的不利影响大于对xAI和其他所有业务的有利影响，因为他已经不在特斯拉工作了。”</p><p>“如果他把所有的时间都投入到全自动驾驶上，我对特斯拉会更有信心。”</p><p><strong>3． 电动汽车销售放缓</strong></p><p>虽然投资者对特斯拉的炒作主要集中在其自动驾驶和机器人的雄心上，但销售汽车仍然是该公司的核心业务，而这一业务开始放缓。</p><p>去年是特斯拉电动汽车销量首次出现年度下滑。在预测2025年增长20%-30%之后，该公司管理层在最新的财报电话会议上表示，预计今年将“恢复增长”。</p><p>对于格伯来说，来自比亚迪日益激烈的竞争，对特斯拉在美国以外的电动汽车业务构成了真正的威胁。他说。“比亚迪是一家如此优秀的公司，新兴市场的每个人都在购买比亚迪。”</p><p>特斯拉面临的另一个威胁是马斯克与美国总统特朗普的密切关系。</p><p>格伯解释道：“这只会制造愤怒。我从未见过这种对特斯拉的愤怒，但这不是对特斯拉这个公司的愤怒，而是因为埃隆，这是人们发泄愤怒的唯一途径。”</p><p>美国歌手谢丽尔·克劳（Sheryl Crow）上周在Instagram上发布了一段视频，向她的特斯拉挥手告别，她卖掉了特斯拉以示抗议。</p><p>这一趋势可能会在美国以外的地区加速发展，据报道，特斯拉1月份在法国、德国和挪威的汽车销量分别下降了63%、60%和38%。</p><p>“我们必须卖车，但人们已经不想要了，”格伯说。</p><p><strong>4． 特斯拉估值较高</strong></p><p>相对于其他汽车制造商和市值巨大的科技同行，特斯拉的估值一直较高，但如果特斯拉的汽车销售持续放缓，这种溢价可能会大幅降低。</p><p>YCharts的数据显示，尽管特斯拉去年的利润仅为丰田的20%，但其市值高达1.1万亿美元，是丰田的近5倍。其预期市盈率为118倍，是“七巨头”股票中第二高的<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">英伟达</a>（Nvidia）的三倍多，也高于其84倍的5年平均水平。</p><p>“对我来说，问题是，我以125倍的市盈率持有1亿美元的特斯拉股票，它甚至不接近’七巨头”中任何正常股票的市盈率，”格伯说，“因此，特斯拉的弱点是，如果今年情况不顺利，它可能会下跌50%。所以我们卖出特斯拉的股票。我们仍然有大量的股票，我们卖掉它们，因为我们认为它们被高估了。”</p><p>华尔街的一些大公司可能会同意格伯的观点。<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/JPM\">摩根大通</a>对特斯拉最新的盈利发布持悲观态度。尽管投资者最初热情高涨，但该行表示，特斯拉股票的目标价仍为135美元，这意味着特斯拉股价可能较当前水平下跌60%。</p><p><em>本文编译自 BUSINESS INSIDER 《He was once Elon Musk&#39;s biggest believer. 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Now he&#39;s doubling down on why Tesla stock will feel serious pain in 2025.》</em></p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/74682068d49f2901bc7ff0be69cf3e49","relate_stocks":{"TSLL":"2倍做多TSLA ETF-Direxion","TSLA":"特斯拉"},"source_url":"","is_english":false,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1103660322","content_text":"他曾是埃隆-马斯克最忠实的信徒。现在，他加倍强调了特斯拉股票在2025年将遭受重创的原因。2月24日，特斯拉投资者、格伯川崎财富管理公司CEO罗斯·格伯最近再次对这只股票发表看空观点，认为四大因素可能导致特斯拉股票今年下跌至多50%。去年年中格伯透露，由于担心特斯拉汽车的受欢迎程度正在下降，他已出售了约6000万美元的特斯拉股票。然后，在特朗普赢得大选后，格伯在12月初表示，马斯克与总统的关系即使有任何积极因素，也不会对特斯拉产生多大影响。这些警告现在看来很有先见之明。在大选后最初的飙升之后，特斯拉的股价在2025年迄今下跌了16%，自格伯去年12月发表上述言论以来，特斯拉的股价下跌了约4%。格伯认为，在一系列熟悉的问题中，这一趋势仍在继续，包括估值过高、对该公司全自动驾驶（FSD）能力的担忧，以及马斯克不可预测的行为带来的连锁反应。在最新的一次采访中，格伯进一步阐述了他的悲观观点，概述了他认为特斯拉很容易受到高达50%的下跌影响的原因。监管文件显示，格伯在2024年将持有的特斯拉股份减少了31%，截至去年年底，他仍持有26.2万股特斯拉股票，价值1.06亿美元。以下是格伯预测特斯拉将面临艰难一年的四个原因：1． FSD“行不通”格伯认为，今年特斯拉的股票将遭遇灾难，因为马斯克6月份在德克萨斯州奥斯汀推出自动驾驶出租车网络的目标过于雄心勃勃。“所有这些东西都将在今年实现，因为他把实现全自动驾驶的最后期限定为几个月后。这似乎不可能发生，”格伯说。“我们在机器人出租车和自动驾驶方面远远落后，这是毫无疑问的，”戈伯说，并补充说他认为Waymo的方法是“一个更安全的系统”。他说：“我现在认为，你需要激光雷达来拥有一个足够安全的全自动驾驶系统。他们（特斯拉）将会碰壁，除非他们改变硬件，否则他们无法变得更好。”2． 马斯克分心了从经营特斯拉、SpaceX和xAI等多家公司，到在X上发表大量文章，到在DOGE牵头提高政府效率，再到成为十几个孩子的父亲，可以肯定地说，马斯克一天中的时间可能不够用。格伯认为，这对特斯拉股东来说是个问题，尤其是考虑到马斯克最近几个月的唯一关注点似乎是人工智能。格伯表示：“他100%专注于人工智能，这对特斯拉的不利影响大于对xAI和其他所有业务的有利影响，因为他已经不在特斯拉工作了。”“如果他把所有的时间都投入到全自动驾驶上，我对特斯拉会更有信心。”3． 电动汽车销售放缓虽然投资者对特斯拉的炒作主要集中在其自动驾驶和机器人的雄心上，但销售汽车仍然是该公司的核心业务，而这一业务开始放缓。去年是特斯拉电动汽车销量首次出现年度下滑。在预测2025年增长20%-30%之后，该公司管理层在最新的财报电话会议上表示，预计今年将“恢复增长”。对于格伯来说，来自比亚迪日益激烈的竞争，对特斯拉在美国以外的电动汽车业务构成了真正的威胁。他说。“比亚迪是一家如此优秀的公司，新兴市场的每个人都在购买比亚迪。”特斯拉面临的另一个威胁是马斯克与美国总统特朗普的密切关系。格伯解释道：“这只会制造愤怒。我从未见过这种对特斯拉的愤怒，但这不是对特斯拉这个公司的愤怒，而是因为埃隆，这是人们发泄愤怒的唯一途径。”美国歌手谢丽尔·克劳（Sheryl Crow）上周在Instagram上发布了一段视频，向她的特斯拉挥手告别，她卖掉了特斯拉以示抗议。这一趋势可能会在美国以外的地区加速发展，据报道，特斯拉1月份在法国、德国和挪威的汽车销量分别下降了63%、60%和38%。“我们必须卖车，但人们已经不想要了，”格伯说。4． 特斯拉估值较高相对于其他汽车制造商和市值巨大的科技同行，特斯拉的估值一直较高，但如果特斯拉的汽车销售持续放缓，这种溢价可能会大幅降低。YCharts的数据显示，尽管特斯拉去年的利润仅为丰田的20%，但其市值高达1.1万亿美元，是丰田的近5倍。其预期市盈率为118倍，是“七巨头”股票中第二高的英伟达（Nvidia）的三倍多，也高于其84倍的5年平均水平。“对我来说，问题是，我以125倍的市盈率持有1亿美元的特斯拉股票，它甚至不接近’七巨头”中任何正常股票的市盈率，”格伯说，“因此，特斯拉的弱点是，如果今年情况不顺利，它可能会下跌50%。所以我们卖出特斯拉的股票。我们仍然有大量的股票，我们卖掉它们，因为我们认为它们被高估了。”华尔街的一些大公司可能会同意格伯的观点。摩根大通对特斯拉最新的盈利发布持悲观态度。尽管投资者最初热情高涨，但该行表示，特斯拉股票的目标价仍为135美元，这意味着特斯拉股价可能较当前水平下跌60%。本文编译自 BUSINESS INSIDER 《He was once Elon Musk's biggest believer. 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财政部令第32号）等有关规定，我委定期对从事中央企业国有资产交易业务的产权交易机构进行调整。经组织相关部门和中央企业进行评审，现将新确定的中央企业资产交易业务产权交易机构名单通知如下：一、从事中央企业权益类业务（产权转让、企业增资）机构名单1.北京产权交易所有限公司2.上海联合产权交易所有限公司3.广东联合产权交易中心有限公司4.山东产权交易中心有限公司5.重庆联合产权交易所集团股份有限公司二、从事中央企业实物资产转让业务机构名单1.北京产权交易所有限公司2.天津产权交易中心3.河北产权市场有限公司4.山西省产权交易市场有限责任公司5.内蒙古产权交易中心有限责任公司6.沈阳联合产权交易所有限责任公司7.吉林长春产权交易中心（集团）有限公司8.黑龙江联合产权交易所有限责任公司9.上海联合产权交易所有限公司10.江苏省产权交易所有限公司11.浙江产权交易所有限公司12.安徽省产权交易中心有限责任公司13.福建省产权交易中心14.江西省产权交易所15.山东产权交易中心有限公司16.河南中原产权交易有限公司17.武汉光谷联合产权交易所有限公司18.湖南省联合产权交易所有限公司19.广东联合产权交易中心有限公司20.北部湾产权交易所集团股份有限公司21.海南产权交易所有限公司22.重庆联合产权交易所集团股份有限公司23.西南联合产权交易所有限责任公司24.贵州阳光产权交易所有限公司25.云南产权交易所有限公司26.西藏产权交易中心有限责任公司27.西部产权交易所有限责任公司28.甘肃省产权交易所股份有限公司29.青海省产权交易市场30.宁夏科技资源与产权交易所（有限公司）31.新疆产权交易所有限责任公司32.青岛产权交易所33.宁波产权交易中心有限公司34.厦门产权交易中心有限公司35.大连产权交易所（有限责任公司）36.深圳联合产权交易所股份有限公司三、其他事项自2021年1月1日起，请各中央企业分别选择上述机构开展权益类和实物资产类交易业务。已在产权交易机构进行预挂牌、正式挂牌的项目，可继续在原交易机构进行。请各中央企业及时将资产交易中遇到的问题向国资委产权管理局反映联系人及电话：国资委产权管理局 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ETF（PALL）投资钯金，因为大型对冲基金一直在做空这种金属。“人们仍然需要诸如燃料电池和汽车之类的基本物品，这些都需要钯金，这使得它成为了一个真正被遗忘的好买卖，”他说。</p><p>根据他的分析，<strong>当前的熊市可能已经开始。</strong>他将当前的牛市追溯到2009年3月，之前的牛市分别从1990年10月持续到2000年3月，以及从1921年8月持续到1929年9月。随后的熊市分别为31个月和34个月，<strong>因此他估计下一个熊市将在2027年下半年触底，开启另一轮强劲的牛市。</strong></p><p>在这之前可能出现反弹——可能是明年夏天的一次大幅反弹，然后又会下跌。“它将基本上通过反复横跳来混淆大量投资者，就像2000年至2002年间所做的那样，”他说。</p><p>在市场崩溃之后，大型科技股和知名股票可能会由于投资者的负面记忆而表现突出。相反，<strong>他建议关注2002年至2007年的赢家：“新兴市场、黄金矿业股、大宗商品生产商，以及小型和中型股，而不是大型股。”</strong></p></body></html>","source":"xnew_highlight","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>美股科技泡沫正在变得可怕，当心对冲基金抛售！</title>\n<style 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src=\"http://img.jrjimg.cn/2024/10/weixin/one_20241011080623347.png\"/></p><p>他还预计，特斯拉的汽车毛利率（不包括碳排放积分）将在公司继续降价和提供融资促销的情况下同比下滑400个基点。</p><p>“此外，我们对2025年后的Model 2需求和利润率感到担忧，”Langan补充道。“我们对其估值与‘科技七巨头’相比保持谨慎，并看到AI战略的风险。”</p><p>展望年底，富国银行还提出了第四季度的其他战术性交易建议：</p><p><img src=\"http://img.jrjimg.cn/2024/10/weixin/one_20241011080623575.png\"/></p><p>其中之一是赌场运营商Las Vegas Sands（LVS），其2024年股价上涨了约5%，远低于大盘。</p><p>富国银行分析师Dan Politzer认为，支持其每股60美元目标价的正面因素包括中国近期推出的一系列旨在提振经济的刺激措施，以及管理层对其澳门伦敦人项目的约25.5亿美元投资回报的信心。这些因素，加上盈利势头的改善，可能使Las Vegas Sands成为一个“独特的自救故事以及澳门/中国的宏观主题。”</p><p><img src=\"http://img.jrjimg.cn/2024/10/weixin/one_20241011080623772.png\"/></p><p>Politzer补充道：“我们认为LVS正走向盈利增长，并且是2025年的一个引人注目的投资机会。其施工干扰已经达到顶峰，有望在2025年逐季恢复总博彩收入份额并增加EBITDA。”</p><p>富国银行还密切关注保险服务公司Willis Towers Watson（WTW）。该公司2024年股价上涨了23%。</p><p><img src=\"http://img.jrjimg.cn/2024/10/weixin/one_20241011080623989.png\"/></p><p>富国银行分析师Elyse Greenspan预计，改善的有机收入增长、自由现金流转换和利润率增加将推动其股价上涨。Greenspan还指出，Willis 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Sands（LVS），其2024年股价上涨了约5%，远低于大盘。富国银行分析师Dan Politzer认为，支持其每股60美元目标价的正面因素包括中国近期推出的一系列旨在提振经济的刺激措施，以及管理层对其澳门伦敦人项目的约25.5亿美元投资回报的信心。这些因素，加上盈利势头的改善，可能使Las Vegas Sands成为一个“独特的自救故事以及澳门/中国的宏观主题。”Politzer补充道：“我们认为LVS正走向盈利增长，并且是2025年的一个引人注目的投资机会。其施工干扰已经达到顶峰，有望在2025年逐季恢复总博彩收入份额并增加EBITDA。”富国银行还密切关注保险服务公司Willis Towers Watson（WTW）。该公司2024年股价上涨了23%。富国银行分析师Elyse Greenspan预计，改善的有机收入增长、自由现金流转换和利润率增加将推动其股价上涨。Greenspan还指出，Willis 12月的投资者日可能成为股价的潜在刺激因素，届时预计公司将进一步披露其长期增长目标\n\n\r\n            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justify;\">郭明錤还称：</p><blockquote><p>为了在即将到来的 AI 时代蓬勃发展，高通的最佳策略是从 AI 智能手机芯片中快速产生现金流，同时扩大其在该领域的主导地位。该公司还应推动 AI PC 芯片的发展，建立涵盖智能手机和个人电脑的强大的设备端 AI 生态系统。此外，高通还需要通过战略投资和收购来迅速增强其服务器 AI 芯片能力。</p><p><strong>英特尔在传统服务器市场的强势地位对高通的吸引力有限</strong>。AI 服务器是服务器市场的未来之星，这也是英特尔目前的弱项。</p><p>高通拥有约 130 亿美元的现金、现金等价物和有价证券，市值约 1900 亿美元。即使忽略收购溢价、相关成本、债务假设、后续管理费用等，<strong>仅英特尔约 930 亿美元的市值就足以给高通带来巨大的财务压力</strong>。这将立即对盈利能力产生负面影响，可能使净利润率从目前的 20% 以上降至个位数甚至亏损（其中代工业务是最严重的拖累）。</p><p>高通最新季度资本支出约为 3.9 亿美元。使用英特尔收购专用资金（预计需要超过 1000 亿美元）来增加资本支出以追求 AI PC 和 AI 服务器的增长，风险会更小，管理效率也会更高。</p><p>考虑到在各国可能面临的反垄断调查，<strong>此次收购很难在短期内完成</strong>。即使高通为降低并购带来的财务与管理压力而出售部分英特尔资产，这也非一时三刻可以拍板定案。而上述不确定性在此并购进行中时，很不利于高通的股价交易情绪。</p><p>出于这些考虑，高通收购英特尔的动机并不强烈。如果这次收购成功，对高通来说可能是灾难性的。据我的调查和了解，高通在内部讨论中也表达了对收购英特尔的保守态度。这证实了我听到的一个谣言：<strong>高通是因为某“外力不可抗拒因素”的压力，才去谨慎并被动评估并购英特尔的可行性</strong>。</p></blockquote><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">郭明錤认为，目前高通最关键的重点应该是建立 AI 芯片的竞争力：</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p style=\"padding-left: 20px;\">1、设备端 AI 智能手机芯片：高通在该市场拥有明显优势，是苹果最大的竞争对手。</p></li><li><p style=\"padding-left: 20px;\">2、设备端 AI PC 芯片：随着 Windows on ARM（WoA）的逐步优化，高通的优势将更加明显。</p></li><li><p style=\"padding-left: 20px;\">3、AI 服务器芯片：高通的弱项。</p></li></ul><p></p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>郭明錤：若高通与英特尔的并购发生，可能是一场灾难</title>\n<style 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以上降至个位数甚至亏损（其中代工业务是最严重的拖累）。高通最新季度资本支出约为 3.9 亿美元。使用英特尔收购专用资金（预计需要超过 1000 亿美元）来增加资本支出以追求 AI PC 和 AI 服务器的增长，风险会更小，管理效率也会更高。考虑到在各国可能面临的反垄断调查，此次收购很难在短期内完成。即使高通为降低并购带来的财务与管理压力而出售部分英特尔资产，这也非一时三刻可以拍板定案。而上述不确定性在此并购进行中时，很不利于高通的股价交易情绪。出于这些考虑，高通收购英特尔的动机并不强烈。如果这次收购成功，对高通来说可能是灾难性的。据我的调查和了解，高通在内部讨论中也表达了对收购英特尔的保守态度。这证实了我听到的一个谣言：高通是因为某“外力不可抗拒因素”的压力，才去谨慎并被动评估并购英特尔的可行性。郭明錤认为，目前高通最关键的重点应该是建立 AI 芯片的竞争力：1、设备端 AI 智能手机芯片：高通在该市场拥有明显优势，是苹果最大的竞争对手。2、设备端 AI PC 芯片：随着 Windows on ARM（WoA）的逐步优化，高通的优势将更加明显。3、AI 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href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/BABA\">阿里巴巴</a>整个集团董事长兼CEO的位置，并非是靠运气得来的，而是靠着自己一路厮杀所展现出来的能力。他还是“双十一”这个伟大狂欢购物节的缔造者，帮助阿里巴巴成功的实现了从PC端到移动互联网的变迁。</span></p><p><span>其二，马云识人的本事，放眼整个互联网，有几人能说自己比马云厉害？既然当初决定把整个阿里巴巴集团都交给张勇来打理，马云也是经过足够的深思熟虑后才做的决定，同时也说明了马云对张勇能力的充分认可！</span></p><p><span>既然张勇并非无能之辈，又是有功之臣，那把淘宝的落寞归因于张勇的管理失策，又是否妥当呢？</span></p><p><span>很明显，不妥当。</span></p><p><span><strong>有人将淘宝的落寞归因于下沉市场的失败</strong></span></p><p><span>一直主打下沉市场的拼多多，这几年发展确实很猛，尤其是今天拼多多的市值已经超越阿里巴巴，这让很多人都说淘宝因为下沉市场的失利，所以输给了拼多多。</span></p><p><span>事实上并非如此。</span></p><p><span>淘宝很早就有布局下沉市场，甚至早于拼多多，10年前淘宝村也曾风靡一时。2014 年，阿里提出“千县万村”计划，要在3-5年间投资100亿元、建立1000个县级运营中心和10万个村级服务站。</span></p><p><span>可以说，淘宝对于下沉市场的重视和投入不弱于任何一个电商平台，包括拼多多和<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/JD\">京东</a>。</span></p><p><span>当初的淘宝，不论是下沉市场和农村市场的商家还是用户规模，淘宝也是强于其他任何一个电商平台。</span></p><p><span>然而，淘宝在下沉市场确实失利了，但要将淘宝落寞的核心原因归因于下沉市场的失败，同样也是站不住脚的。</span></p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2c448de5e6b646d6b1acd2c08257ac03\"/></p><p><span><strong>有人将淘宝的落寞归因于内容电商的失落</strong></span></p><p><span>抖音、快手、小红书借助内容电商崛起，确实对整个电商格局产生了非常大的影响，尤其是今天的抖音，已经成长为中国电商的第四极。</span></p><p><span>事实上，淘宝在短视频、直播等内容电商的布局和投入，同样不弱于任何一家电商平台和任何一家短视频直播平台。</span></p><p><span>早在2016年4月，时任阿里CEO的张勇就将社区化、内容化定为淘宝未来的方向。之后，淘宝上线了直播频道、淘宝头条、问大家和淘宝社区等一些列内容专区。与此同时，淘宝也开始全面打造短视频，开始打造自己的短视频APP。</span></p><p><span>在直播方面的布局，淘宝就更早了。而最早在电商直播做出成果的当属淘宝直播了，薇娅、李佳琦等一众头部主播都诞生于淘宝直播。此后，才有了抖音电商直播、快手电商直播对淘宝直播的效仿。</span></p><p><span>今天的淘宝，在内容电商的投资和布局依然不弱于任何一家电商平台，淘宝并没有在内容电商败给其他电商平台。甚至可以这么说，淘宝电商直播比除抖音直播之外的所有电商直播都要做得好。</span></p><p><span><strong>淘宝，只是败给了时代</strong></span></p><p><span>正如那句名言：只有时代的马云，没有马云的时代。</span></p><p><strong><span>同样，也只有时代的淘宝，没有淘宝的时代。</span></strong></p><p><span>淘宝当初的崛起，恰恰是时代造就的产物，当初国内电商还是一片空白，淘宝凭借着对中国市场和商家更为熟悉，战胜了当时全球最大的电商网站<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/EBAY\">eBay</a>。</span></p><p><span>下沉市场的失利，只是因为淘宝不小心赶上了消费降级，拼多多的强势崛起同样也受益于消费降级这个大时代。谁也不曾预料到，今天的消费降级来得如此快，来得如此迅猛。</span></p><p><span>张勇当初对于中国经济未来的判断，一直都是消费升级，我相信马云先生当初也是如此判断的，谁也没想到消费降级这个意外来得如此快。</span></p><p><span>抖音、快手等内容电商平台的兴起，同样也是赶上了短视频直播这个风口。疫情三年，让越来越多人开始沉迷于短视频，痴迷于直播。抖音、快手天生因为内容对于用户的吸引，借助足够的用户时长，从而让越来越多用户在平台上逐步养成了消费习惯。</span></p><p><span>但是淘宝、京东、拼多多等电商平台，因为电商的基因，却很难通过培养用户的内容兴趣，再去吸引用户消费。电商平台的基因也注定了，它们的短视频和直播也基本都是围绕着电商。</span></p><p><span>短视频直播这个内容风口，就注定了抖音、快手、视频号的内容电商时代，这是谁也难以阻挡的电商趋势。</span></p><p><strong><span>所以，今天淘宝的落寞，只是败给了时代。至于下一个电商时代，谁能把握？我想谁也给不了答案。</span></strong></p><p><em><span>文/刘旷公众号，ID：liukuang110，配图来自Canva可画</span></em></p></div></body></html>","source":"weixin_highlight","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta 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08:48</p>\n</div>\n\n</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><body><div><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0ec60f2c377846a3945cee99c97ed44f\"/></p><p><span>今天的淘宝，看山不是山，看水不是水，境遇已大不相同。</span></p><p><span><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GS\">高盛</a>报告显示，淘宝天猫的市场份额从2019年的66%，下降至2022年的44%左右，四年降幅1/3。2024年淘宝的市场份额还剩多少，很难说清楚，但是这两年，<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/PDD\">拼多多</a>和抖音的势头是越来越猛了，还有视频号、小红书、快手等一众内容平台在抢夺电商这块蛋糕。</span></p><p><span><strong>有人将淘宝的落寞归因于管理者的失策</strong></span></p><p><span>张勇毫无疑问成为了最大的买单者，毕竟事情没做好，最终总是需要人来承担。但是真的只是张勇的管理失策吗？如果要论管理者失策，难道马云没有责任？蔡崇信没有责任？</span></p><p><span>成者王侯败者寇，这话确实不假，但是要把事情的责任全部都推到人的身上，并不完全合乎情理，更何况张勇并非无能之辈。</span></p><p><span>其一，张勇能做到<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/BABA\">阿里巴巴</a>整个集团董事长兼CEO的位置，并非是靠运气得来的，而是靠着自己一路厮杀所展现出来的能力。他还是“双十一”这个伟大狂欢购物节的缔造者，帮助阿里巴巴成功的实现了从PC端到移动互联网的变迁。</span></p><p><span>其二，马云识人的本事，放眼整个互联网，有几人能说自己比马云厉害？既然当初决定把整个阿里巴巴集团都交给张勇来打理，马云也是经过足够的深思熟虑后才做的决定，同时也说明了马云对张勇能力的充分认可！</span></p><p><span>既然张勇并非无能之辈，又是有功之臣，那把淘宝的落寞归因于张勇的管理失策，又是否妥当呢？</span></p><p><span>很明显，不妥当。</span></p><p><span><strong>有人将淘宝的落寞归因于下沉市场的失败</strong></span></p><p><span>一直主打下沉市场的拼多多，这几年发展确实很猛，尤其是今天拼多多的市值已经超越阿里巴巴，这让很多人都说淘宝因为下沉市场的失利，所以输给了拼多多。</span></p><p><span>事实上并非如此。</span></p><p><span>淘宝很早就有布局下沉市场，甚至早于拼多多，10年前淘宝村也曾风靡一时。2014 年，阿里提出“千县万村”计划，要在3-5年间投资100亿元、建立1000个县级运营中心和10万个村级服务站。</span></p><p><span>可以说，淘宝对于下沉市场的重视和投入不弱于任何一个电商平台，包括拼多多和<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/JD\">京东</a>。</span></p><p><span>当初的淘宝，不论是下沉市场和农村市场的商家还是用户规模，淘宝也是强于其他任何一个电商平台。</span></p><p><span>然而，淘宝在下沉市场确实失利了，但要将淘宝落寞的核心原因归因于下沉市场的失败，同样也是站不住脚的。</span></p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2c448de5e6b646d6b1acd2c08257ac03\"/></p><p><span><strong>有人将淘宝的落寞归因于内容电商的失落</strong></span></p><p><span>抖音、快手、小红书借助内容电商崛起，确实对整个电商格局产生了非常大的影响，尤其是今天的抖音，已经成长为中国电商的第四极。</span></p><p><span>事实上，淘宝在短视频、直播等内容电商的布局和投入，同样不弱于任何一家电商平台和任何一家短视频直播平台。</span></p><p><span>早在2016年4月，时任阿里CEO的张勇就将社区化、内容化定为淘宝未来的方向。之后，淘宝上线了直播频道、淘宝头条、问大家和淘宝社区等一些列内容专区。与此同时，淘宝也开始全面打造短视频，开始打造自己的短视频APP。</span></p><p><span>在直播方面的布局，淘宝就更早了。而最早在电商直播做出成果的当属淘宝直播了，薇娅、李佳琦等一众头部主播都诞生于淘宝直播。此后，才有了抖音电商直播、快手电商直播对淘宝直播的效仿。</span></p><p><span>今天的淘宝，在内容电商的投资和布局依然不弱于任何一家电商平台，淘宝并没有在内容电商败给其他电商平台。甚至可以这么说，淘宝电商直播比除抖音直播之外的所有电商直播都要做得好。</span></p><p><span><strong>淘宝，只是败给了时代</strong></span></p><p><span>正如那句名言：只有时代的马云，没有马云的时代。</span></p><p><strong><span>同样，也只有时代的淘宝，没有淘宝的时代。</span></strong></p><p><span>淘宝当初的崛起，恰恰是时代造就的产物，当初国内电商还是一片空白，淘宝凭借着对中国市场和商家更为熟悉，战胜了当时全球最大的电商网站<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/EBAY\">eBay</a>。</span></p><p><span>下沉市场的失利，只是因为淘宝不小心赶上了消费降级，拼多多的强势崛起同样也受益于消费降级这个大时代。谁也不曾预料到，今天的消费降级来得如此快，来得如此迅猛。</span></p><p><span>张勇当初对于中国经济未来的判断，一直都是消费升级，我相信马云先生当初也是如此判断的，谁也没想到消费降级这个意外来得如此快。</span></p><p><span>抖音、快手等内容电商平台的兴起，同样也是赶上了短视频直播这个风口。疫情三年，让越来越多人开始沉迷于短视频，痴迷于直播。抖音、快手天生因为内容对于用户的吸引，借助足够的用户时长，从而让越来越多用户在平台上逐步养成了消费习惯。</span></p><p><span>但是淘宝、京东、拼多多等电商平台，因为电商的基因，却很难通过培养用户的内容兴趣，再去吸引用户消费。电商平台的基因也注定了，它们的短视频和直播也基本都是围绕着电商。</span></p><p><span>短视频直播这个内容风口，就注定了抖音、快手、视频号的内容电商时代，这是谁也难以阻挡的电商趋势。</span></p><p><strong><span>所以，今天淘宝的落寞，只是败给了时代。至于下一个电商时代，谁能把握？我想谁也给不了答案。</span></strong></p><p><em><span>文/刘旷公众号，ID：liukuang110，配图来自Canva可画</span></em></p></div></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"89988":"阿里巴巴-WR","LU1046421795.USD":"富达环球科技A-ACC","LU0228367735.SGD":"Eastspring Investments - Asian Equity Fund AS SGD","BK4502":"阿里概念","LU0128525689.USD":"TEMPLETON GLOBAL BALANCED \"A\"(USD) 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年，阿里提出“千县万村”计划，要在3-5年间投资100亿元、建立1000个县级运营中心和10万个村级服务站。可以说，淘宝对于下沉市场的重视和投入不弱于任何一个电商平台，包括拼多多和京东。当初的淘宝，不论是下沉市场和农村市场的商家还是用户规模，淘宝也是强于其他任何一个电商平台。然而，淘宝在下沉市场确实失利了，但要将淘宝落寞的核心原因归因于下沉市场的失败，同样也是站不住脚的。有人将淘宝的落寞归因于内容电商的失落抖音、快手、小红书借助内容电商崛起，确实对整个电商格局产生了非常大的影响，尤其是今天的抖音，已经成长为中国电商的第四极。事实上，淘宝在短视频、直播等内容电商的布局和投入，同样不弱于任何一家电商平台和任何一家短视频直播平台。早在2016年4月，时任阿里CEO的张勇就将社区化、内容化定为淘宝未来的方向。之后，淘宝上线了直播频道、淘宝头条、问大家和淘宝社区等一些列内容专区。与此同时，淘宝也开始全面打造短视频，开始打造自己的短视频APP。在直播方面的布局，淘宝就更早了。而最早在电商直播做出成果的当属淘宝直播了，薇娅、李佳琦等一众头部主播都诞生于淘宝直播。此后，才有了抖音电商直播、快手电商直播对淘宝直播的效仿。今天的淘宝，在内容电商的投资和布局依然不弱于任何一家电商平台，淘宝并没有在内容电商败给其他电商平台。甚至可以这么说，淘宝电商直播比除抖音直播之外的所有电商直播都要做得好。淘宝，只是败给了时代正如那句名言：只有时代的马云，没有马云的时代。同样，也只有时代的淘宝，没有淘宝的时代。淘宝当初的崛起，恰恰是时代造就的产物，当初国内电商还是一片空白，淘宝凭借着对中国市场和商家更为熟悉，战胜了当时全球最大的电商网站eBay。下沉市场的失利，只是因为淘宝不小心赶上了消费降级，拼多多的强势崛起同样也受益于消费降级这个大时代。谁也不曾预料到，今天的消费降级来得如此快，来得如此迅猛。张勇当初对于中国经济未来的判断，一直都是消费升级，我相信马云先生当初也是如此判断的，谁也没想到消费降级这个意外来得如此快。抖音、快手等内容电商平台的兴起，同样也是赶上了短视频直播这个风口。疫情三年，让越来越多人开始沉迷于短视频，痴迷于直播。抖音、快手天生因为内容对于用户的吸引，借助足够的用户时长，从而让越来越多用户在平台上逐步养成了消费习惯。但是淘宝、京东、拼多多等电商平台，因为电商的基因，却很难通过培养用户的内容兴趣，再去吸引用户消费。电商平台的基因也注定了，它们的短视频和直播也基本都是围绕着电商。短视频直播这个内容风口，就注定了抖音、快手、视频号的内容电商时代，这是谁也难以阻挡的电商趋势。所以，今天淘宝的落寞，只是败给了时代。至于下一个电商时代，谁能把握？我想谁也给不了答案。文/刘旷公众号，ID：liukuang110，配图来自Canva可画","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"89988":0.6,"BABA":0.9,"09988":1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1331,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":311484365594856,"gmtCreate":1717072035087,"gmtModify":1717072037239,"author":{"id":"3519254194891755","authorId":"3519254194891755","name":"T111240","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2247fe6dcaef36d3524bf1e69928a257","crmLevel":5,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3519254194891755","idStr":"3519254194891755"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"T86问题就这一没底线的公司搞出来的，一人错整个行业买单","listText":"T86问题就这一没底线的公司搞出来的，一人错整个行业买单","text":"T86问题就这一没底线的公司搞出来的，一人错整个行业买单","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/311484365594856","repostId":"2439966083","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2439966083","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1717061712,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/2439966083?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2024-05-30 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48个国家和地区，跻身全球应用下载量前十名，更成为美国下载量最高的应用之一。</p><p>今年以来，TEMU继续火力全开，进入了更多国家和地区。据华尔街见闻统计，截至目前，TEMU已开设约68个站点, 实现了覆盖所有大洲，其中欧洲站点数量最多，体量上则是美国市场最大。</p><p>拼多多最新发布财报显示，其一季度营收同比增长131%至868.1亿元，其中TEMU为主要驱动力的交易服务收入大幅增长327%至443.6亿美元，首次赶超在线营销业务成为拼多多最大的收入来源。</p><p>去年以来，TEMU快速扩张的主要因素之一，就是因为其放弃了拼多多在国内使用的平台模式，转向全托管模式。该模式极大降低了跨境商家的出海门槛，由平台提供店铺运营、仓储物流、售后服务等一站式服务，卖家只充当着“供货商”的角色。</p><p>“全托管”让TEMU取得了第一阶段的胜利，也让全托管成为了各大跨境电商平台的“标配”。</p><p>在TEMU带来的高增长前景下，一季度财报发布后，拼多多美股盘前涨幅一度超13%，报158.46美元/股。截至5月30日，拼多多市值也再度超越阿里巴巴。</p><p>一直到现在，拼多多官方都未对外公开披露过TEMU的具体GMV，但拼多多野心不小。 </p><p><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/002736\">国信证券</a>测算，TEMU一季度GMV超过130亿美元，按58%计入收入，贡献约353亿人民币收入。从今年全年的GMV来看，浦银国际预计TEMU全年GMV或超400亿美元，<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/03329\">交银国际</a>则预测将增长200%以上达到500亿美元。</p><p>有多位消息人士透露，TEMU自身还有一个更激进的GMV目标，那就是高达600亿美元，这一数字是去年约180亿美元年销售额的3.33倍。</p><p>另据Sensortower数据,截至2024年4月，TEMU MAU到1.9亿人，已经超过了SHEIN的1.7亿人。</p><p>随着规模的进一步扩大，以及半托管模式在今年初上线，让TEMU盈利在望。</p><p>浦银国际研报指出，TEMU高速增长，预计2025年扭亏，全年交易服务收入将同比增长357%，测算其中约8成来自TEMU业务。交银国际则预测，TEMU今年有望在美国，率先实现盈利。 </p><p><strong>战火</strong></p><p>跨境电商市场的战火又燃起来了。去年TEMU带头推出全托管，快速搅动着这片市场，如今，它又很快地跟进友商的动作，推出半托管模式。</p><p>以启动“半托管”为标志，TEMU希望在规模上更进一步。</p><p>接近TEMU人士告诉华尔街见闻，这是为了更好地适应商家的成长变化，给予商家更多的灵活性和主动性，产品类目涵盖服装首饰、家具家居、美妆个护、户外运动、工业设备等。</p><p>“半托管”今年已成为各大跨境电商平台的新战场，不过，此番率先打响半托管发令枪的不再是TEMU，而是去年相对低调的老大哥速卖通。</p><p>紧跟速卖通之后，TEMU在今年元旦之后开启半托管商家招募，到3月中旬在美国正式上线，短短两个月，已经开通了美国、加拿大、英国、德国、意大利、法国、西班牙、澳大利亚、新西兰等9大站点。据悉，全球站点正在加速开放中。</p><p>TEMU半托管和全托管模式的区别主要体现在仓储物流上，针对其他繁琐环节的平台服务，例如网站引流、店铺运营、客户服务、知产法务等，目前并没有区别。半托管模式更适合在跨境电商领域发展相对成熟、拥有自己的仓库物流合作商的跨境商家。</p><p>据华尔街见闻了解，与TEMU还掌控着店铺运营、商品定价不同，速卖通的半托管模式，是平台只负责仓储物流、售后服务环节，店铺运营和定价则由商家自己负责。</p><p>接近TEMU人士透露，半托管模式可以让TEMU在保持质价比的同时实现更快的速度。而未来，如果商家的自身能力越来越强，TEMU或许将给予商家更大的空间与自由。</p><p>另有业内人士对华尔街见闻指出，2024，“半托管”或将弯道超车，成为跨境玩家们竞争的关键所在。</p><p>对于TEMU加入“半托管”,资本市场也普遍是看好的态度。</p><p>多家券商机构指出，TMEU半托管可以带动大货占比提升，从而提升客单价，叠加降低单均物流费用，能够在提高用户体验的同时，优化其单位经济模型，从而提高盈利能力和市场竞争力，有望带动TEMU业务整体亏损显著改善，并较早实现盈利上岸。 </p><p>不过，如今TEMU的收益主要来自终端销售价与商家结算之间的差价。为了吸引商家，目前无论是半托管还是全托管，TMUE均不收取佣金。 </p><p>与此同时，走过野蛮生长的第一阶段，TEMU也需要更重视提升用户体验，在售价上还不能有大调整的同时，要更重视通过提供更高效的物流服务和更优质的商品，来提升用户满意度和忠诚度。</p><p>显然，在跨境电商业务上，TEMU把拼多多在国内攻城略地的那一套玩法又如法炮制了一番。 </p><p>不过跨境电商战场战况愈发激烈，TEMU要在新的市场做大并不容易。</p><p>壹玖钧泽网络科技有限公司总经理高燕对华尔街见闻表示，今年以来，作为跨境商家，其最深的感受就是中国跨境电商平台间的竞争将呈现多元化和激烈化的特点，包括专业度、产品力、品牌力和创新力的综合比拼。</p><p>在此背景下，各大跨境电商平台在保持其既有优势和基因的的同时，应更加注重差异化竞争优势的建立，提升用户体验，加强技术创新。</p><p>此外，Tiktok在美国的境遇也警示着TEMU，它需要预防海外市场的政策风险。一季度以来，TEMU加速在中东、欧洲、拉美等地区的业务拓展，以降低美国地区占比过高的潜在政策风险。</p><p>拼多多能够在国内快速崛起，是天时、地利、人和共同作用之下的结果，如今其出海似乎又再一次占据了这些有利因素，但这一战场更加复杂。</p><p>要成为中国跨境电商中的赢家，甚至改写全球电商格局，拼多多任重而道远。</p></body></html>","source":"wallstreetcn_hot_news","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE 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(“JD” or the “Company”) (NASDAQ: JD and HKEX: 9618 (HKD counter) and 89618 (RMB counter)), a leading supply chain-based technology and service ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>JD.com stock dropped 5% in premarket trading after the company announces proposed offering of US$1.5 billion convertible senior notes.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/64a800228a11cef45f2243f80c55bc1b\" tg-width=\"469\" tg-height=\"419\"/></p><p>BEIJING, May 21, 2024 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- JD.com, Inc. (“JD” or the “Company”) (NASDAQ: JD and HKEX: 9618 (HKD counter) and 89618 (RMB counter)), a leading supply chain-based technology and service provider, today announced a proposed offering (the “Notes Offering”) of convertible senior notes in an aggregate principal amount of US$1.5 billion due 2029 (the “Notes”), subject to market conditions and other factors. The Company intends to grant an option to the initial purchasers in the Notes Offering, exercisable within a 30-day period, beginning on and including the date of the Notes Offering, to purchase up to an additional US$225 million in aggregate principal amount of the Notes.<br/></p><p>The Company plans to use the net proceeds from the Notes Offering (a) for the Concurrent Repurchase (as described below) and to repurchase on the open market, after the pricing of the Notes and from time to time, additional Class A ordinary shares and/or American depositary shares (“ADSs”), each representing two Class A ordinary shares, of the Company pursuant to its share repurchase program(s), (b) to expand its overseas business, (c) to further improve its supply chain network and (d) for working capital needs.</p><p><strong>Expected Terms of the Notes</strong></p><p>When issued, the Notes will be senior, unsecured obligations of the Company. The Notes will mature on June 1, 2029, unless earlier redeemed, repurchased or converted in accordance with their terms prior to such date.</p><p>Holders of the Notes may convert their Notes at their option at any time prior to the close of business on the third scheduled trading day immediately preceding the maturity date. Upon conversion, the Company will pay or deliver, as the case may be, cash, ADSs, or a combination of cash and ADSs, at the Company’s election. Holders may elect to receive Class A ordinary shares in lieu of any ADSs deliverable upon conversion, which will be fungible with the Company’s Class A ordinary shares listed on the Stock Exchange of Hong Kong Limited (“Hong Kong Stock Exchange”) after the resale restriction termination date (as set forth in the terms of the Notes). The interest rate, initial conversion rate and other terms of the Notes will be determined at the time of pricing of the Notes.</p><p>Holders of the Notes may require the Company to repurchase all or part of their Notes for cash on June 1, 2027 or in the event of certain fundamental changes, at a repurchase price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be repurchased, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the relevant repurchase date. In addition, on or after June 8, 2027, the Company may redeem all or part of the Notes for cash subject to certain conditions, at a redemption price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be redeemed, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the relevant optional redemption date. Furthermore, the Company may redeem all but not part of the Notes in the event of certain changes in the tax laws or if less than 10% of the aggregate principal amount of the Notes originally issued remains outstanding at such time, at a redemption price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be redeemed, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the related redemption date.</p><p><strong>Concurrent and Future Repurchases</strong></p><p>Concurrently with the pricing of the Notes, the Company plans to repurchase a number of its Class A ordinary shares and/or ADSs to be determined at the time of pricing of the Notes from certain purchasers of the Notes in off-market privately negotiated transactions effected through one of the initial purchasers or its affiliates, as the Company’s agent (such transactions, the “Concurrent Repurchase”). The Concurrent Repurchase is expected to facilitate the initial hedging by purchasers of the Notes who desire to hedge their investments in the Notes, as the Company intends to repurchase the entire initial delta of the transaction. This will allow such purchasers of the Notes to establish short positions that generally correspond to commercially reasonable initial hedges of their investments in the Notes. The Concurrent Repurchase will be made pursuant to the Company’s share repurchase program announced in March 2024. The Company expects the purchase price in the Concurrent Repurchase to be (i) in the case of ADSs, the closing price of the Class A ordinary shares on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange on May 21, 2024 as adjusted for the ADS-to-share ratio at a pre-determined exchange rate for U.S. dollars and (ii) in the case of Class A ordinary shares, the closing price of the Class A ordinary shares on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange on May 21, 2024.</p><p>In addition to the Concurrent Repurchase, the Company may also repurchase additional Class A ordinary shares and/or ADSs on the open market after the pricing of the Notes and from time to time. The Concurrent Repurchase and future repurchases pursuant to the Company’s share repurchase program(s) will be funded by the net proceeds of the Notes Offering and other cash on hand, and, in the aggregate, are generally expected to offset potential dilution to the holders of the Company’s ordinary shares (including in the form of ADSs) upon conversion of the Notes.</p><p><strong>Other Matters</strong></p><p>The repurchase activities by the Company, whether in the Concurrent Repurchase or otherwise pursuant to its share repurchase program(s), could increase, or reduce the magnitude of any decrease in, the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes.</p><p>The Company expects that potential purchasers of the Notes may employ a convertible arbitrage strategy to hedge their exposure in connection with the Notes. Any such activities by potential purchasers of the Notes following the pricing of the Notes and prior to the maturity date could affect the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes. The effect, if any, of the activities described in this paragraph, including the direction or magnitude, on the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes will depend on a variety of factors, including market conditions, and cannot be ascertained at this time.</p><p>The Notes, the ADSs deliverable upon conversion of the Notes, if any, and the Class A ordinary shares represented thereby or deliverable upon conversion of Notes in lieu thereof have not been and will not be registered under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the “Securities Act”) or securities laws of any other places. They may not be offered or sold within the United States or to U.S. persons, except to persons reasonably believed to be qualified institutional buyers in reliance on the exemption from registration provided by Rule 144A under the Securities Act and to certain non-U.S. persons in offshore transactions in reliance on Regulation S under the Securities Act.</p><p>This press release shall not constitute an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to purchase any securities, nor shall there be a sale of the securities in any state or jurisdiction in which such an offer, solicitation or sale would be unlawful.</p><p>This press release contains information about the pending Notes Offering, and there can be no assurance that the Notes Offering will be completed.</p><p><strong>About JD.com, Inc.</strong></p><p>JD.com is a leading supply chain-based technology and service provider. The company’s cutting-edge retail infrastructure seeks to enable consumers to buy whatever they want, whenever and wherever they want it. The company has opened its technology and infrastructure to partners, brands and other sectors, as part of its Retail as a Service offering to help drive productivity and innovation across a range of industries.</p><p><strong>Safe Harbor Statement</strong></p><p>This announcement contains forward-looking statements. These statements are made under the “safe harbor” provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements can be identified by terminology such as “will,” “expects,” “anticipates,” “future,” “intends,” “plans,” “believes,” “estimates,” “confident” and similar statements. JD.com may also make written or oral forward-looking statements in its periodic reports to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (the “SEC”), in announcements made on the website of the Hong Kong Stock Exchange, in its annual report to shareholders, in press releases and other written materials and in oral statements made by its officers, directors or employees to third parties. Statements that are not historical facts, including statements about JD.com’s beliefs and expectations, are forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. A number of factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any forward-looking statement, including but not limited to the following: JD.com’s growth strategies; its future business development, results of operations and financial condition; its ability to attract and retain new customers and to increase revenues generated from repeat customers; its expectations regarding demand for and market acceptance of its products and services; trends and competition in China’s e-commerce market; changes in its revenues and certain cost or expense items; the expected growth of the Chinese e-commerce market; laws, regulations and governmental policies relating to the industries in which JD.com or its business partners operate; potential changes in laws, regulations and governmental policies or changes in the interpretation and implementation of laws, regulations and governmental policies that could adversely affect the industries in which JD.com or its business partners operate, including, among others, initiatives to enhance supervision of companies listed on an overseas exchange and tighten scrutiny over data privacy and data security; risks associated with JD.com’s acquisitions, investments and alliances, including fluctuation in the market value of JD.com’s investment portfolio; natural disasters and geopolitical events; change in tax rates and financial risks; intensity of competition; and general market and economic conditions in China and globally. Further information regarding these and other risks is included in JD.com’s filings with the SEC and the announcements on the website of the Hong Kong Stock Exchange. All information provided herein is as of the date of this announcement, and JD.com undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statement, except as required under applicable law.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c2196de8ba412c60c22ab491af7b1409\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1\" tg-height=\"1\"/></p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>JD.com Drops 5% After the Company Announces Proposed Offering of US$1.5 Billion Convertible Senior Notes</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nJD.com Drops 5% After the Company Announces Proposed Offering of US$1.5 Billion Convertible Senior Notes\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<a class=\"head\" href=\"https://laohu8.com/wemedia/1016364462\">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/31bb960c88eab45f27ccc9fce75dee9a);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">GlobeNewswire </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2024-05-21 16:39</p>\n</div>\n\n</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p>JD.com stock dropped 5% in premarket trading after the company announces proposed offering of US$1.5 billion convertible senior notes.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/64a800228a11cef45f2243f80c55bc1b\" tg-width=\"469\" tg-height=\"419\"/></p><p>BEIJING, May 21, 2024 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- JD.com, Inc. (“JD” or the “Company”) (NASDAQ: JD and HKEX: 9618 (HKD counter) and 89618 (RMB counter)), a leading supply chain-based technology and service provider, today announced a proposed offering (the “Notes Offering”) of convertible senior notes in an aggregate principal amount of US$1.5 billion due 2029 (the “Notes”), subject to market conditions and other factors. The Company intends to grant an option to the initial purchasers in the Notes Offering, exercisable within a 30-day period, beginning on and including the date of the Notes Offering, to purchase up to an additional US$225 million in aggregate principal amount of the Notes.<br/></p><p>The Company plans to use the net proceeds from the Notes Offering (a) for the Concurrent Repurchase (as described below) and to repurchase on the open market, after the pricing of the Notes and from time to time, additional Class A ordinary shares and/or American depositary shares (“ADSs”), each representing two Class A ordinary shares, of the Company pursuant to its share repurchase program(s), (b) to expand its overseas business, (c) to further improve its supply chain network and (d) for working capital needs.</p><p><strong>Expected Terms of the Notes</strong></p><p>When issued, the Notes will be senior, unsecured obligations of the Company. The Notes will mature on June 1, 2029, unless earlier redeemed, repurchased or converted in accordance with their terms prior to such date.</p><p>Holders of the Notes may convert their Notes at their option at any time prior to the close of business on the third scheduled trading day immediately preceding the maturity date. Upon conversion, the Company will pay or deliver, as the case may be, cash, ADSs, or a combination of cash and ADSs, at the Company’s election. Holders may elect to receive Class A ordinary shares in lieu of any ADSs deliverable upon conversion, which will be fungible with the Company’s Class A ordinary shares listed on the Stock Exchange of Hong Kong Limited (“Hong Kong Stock Exchange”) after the resale restriction termination date (as set forth in the terms of the Notes). The interest rate, initial conversion rate and other terms of the Notes will be determined at the time of pricing of the Notes.</p><p>Holders of the Notes may require the Company to repurchase all or part of their Notes for cash on June 1, 2027 or in the event of certain fundamental changes, at a repurchase price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be repurchased, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the relevant repurchase date. In addition, on or after June 8, 2027, the Company may redeem all or part of the Notes for cash subject to certain conditions, at a redemption price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be redeemed, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the relevant optional redemption date. Furthermore, the Company may redeem all but not part of the Notes in the event of certain changes in the tax laws or if less than 10% of the aggregate principal amount of the Notes originally issued remains outstanding at such time, at a redemption price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be redeemed, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the related redemption date.</p><p><strong>Concurrent and Future Repurchases</strong></p><p>Concurrently with the pricing of the Notes, the Company plans to repurchase a number of its Class A ordinary shares and/or ADSs to be determined at the time of pricing of the Notes from certain purchasers of the Notes in off-market privately negotiated transactions effected through one of the initial purchasers or its affiliates, as the Company’s agent (such transactions, the “Concurrent Repurchase”). The Concurrent Repurchase is expected to facilitate the initial hedging by purchasers of the Notes who desire to hedge their investments in the Notes, as the Company intends to repurchase the entire initial delta of the transaction. This will allow such purchasers of the Notes to establish short positions that generally correspond to commercially reasonable initial hedges of their investments in the Notes. The Concurrent Repurchase will be made pursuant to the Company’s share repurchase program announced in March 2024. The Company expects the purchase price in the Concurrent Repurchase to be (i) in the case of ADSs, the closing price of the Class A ordinary shares on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange on May 21, 2024 as adjusted for the ADS-to-share ratio at a pre-determined exchange rate for U.S. dollars and (ii) in the case of Class A ordinary shares, the closing price of the Class A ordinary shares on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange on May 21, 2024.</p><p>In addition to the Concurrent Repurchase, the Company may also repurchase additional Class A ordinary shares and/or ADSs on the open market after the pricing of the Notes and from time to time. The Concurrent Repurchase and future repurchases pursuant to the Company’s share repurchase program(s) will be funded by the net proceeds of the Notes Offering and other cash on hand, and, in the aggregate, are generally expected to offset potential dilution to the holders of the Company’s ordinary shares (including in the form of ADSs) upon conversion of the Notes.</p><p><strong>Other Matters</strong></p><p>The repurchase activities by the Company, whether in the Concurrent Repurchase or otherwise pursuant to its share repurchase program(s), could increase, or reduce the magnitude of any decrease in, the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes.</p><p>The Company expects that potential purchasers of the Notes may employ a convertible arbitrage strategy to hedge their exposure in connection with the Notes. Any such activities by potential purchasers of the Notes following the pricing of the Notes and prior to the maturity date could affect the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes. The effect, if any, of the activities described in this paragraph, including the direction or magnitude, on the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes will depend on a variety of factors, including market conditions, and cannot be ascertained at this time.</p><p>The Notes, the ADSs deliverable upon conversion of the Notes, if any, and the Class A ordinary shares represented thereby or deliverable upon conversion of Notes in lieu thereof have not been and will not be registered under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the “Securities Act”) or securities laws of any other places. They may not be offered or sold within the United States or to U.S. persons, except to persons reasonably believed to be qualified institutional buyers in reliance on the exemption from registration provided by Rule 144A under the Securities Act and to certain non-U.S. persons in offshore transactions in reliance on Regulation S under the Securities Act.</p><p>This press release shall not constitute an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to purchase any securities, nor shall there be a sale of the securities in any state or jurisdiction in which such an offer, solicitation or sale would be unlawful.</p><p>This press release contains information about the pending Notes Offering, and there can be no assurance that the Notes Offering will be completed.</p><p><strong>About JD.com, Inc.</strong></p><p>JD.com is a leading supply chain-based technology and service provider. The company’s cutting-edge retail infrastructure seeks to enable consumers to buy whatever they want, whenever and wherever they want it. The company has opened its technology and infrastructure to partners, brands and other sectors, as part of its Retail as a Service offering to help drive productivity and innovation across a range of industries.</p><p><strong>Safe Harbor Statement</strong></p><p>This announcement contains forward-looking statements. These statements are made under the “safe harbor” provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements can be identified by terminology such as “will,” “expects,” “anticipates,” “future,” “intends,” “plans,” “believes,” “estimates,” “confident” and similar statements. JD.com may also make written or oral forward-looking statements in its periodic reports to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (the “SEC”), in announcements made on the website of the Hong Kong Stock Exchange, in its annual report to shareholders, in press releases and other written materials and in oral statements made by its officers, directors or employees to third parties. Statements that are not historical facts, including statements about JD.com’s beliefs and expectations, are forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. A number of factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any forward-looking statement, including but not limited to the following: JD.com’s growth strategies; its future business development, results of operations and financial condition; its ability to attract and retain new customers and to increase revenues generated from repeat customers; its expectations regarding demand for and market acceptance of its products and services; trends and competition in China’s e-commerce market; changes in its revenues and certain cost or expense items; the expected growth of the Chinese e-commerce market; laws, regulations and governmental policies relating to the industries in which JD.com or its business partners operate; potential changes in laws, regulations and governmental policies or changes in the interpretation and implementation of laws, regulations and governmental policies that could adversely affect the industries in which JD.com or its business partners operate, including, among others, initiatives to enhance supervision of companies listed on an overseas exchange and tighten scrutiny over data privacy and data security; risks associated with JD.com’s acquisitions, investments and alliances, including fluctuation in the market value of JD.com’s investment portfolio; natural disasters and geopolitical events; change in tax rates and financial risks; intensity of competition; and general market and economic conditions in China and globally. Further information regarding these and other risks is included in JD.com’s filings with the SEC and the announcements on the website of the Hong Kong Stock Exchange. All information provided herein is as of the date of this announcement, and JD.com undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statement, except as required under applicable law.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c2196de8ba412c60c22ab491af7b1409\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1\" tg-height=\"1\"/></p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"89618":"京东集团-SWR","LU1023057109.AUD":"BGF CHINA \"A2\" (AUDHDG) ACC","LU1044876610.USD":"THREADNEEDLE (LUX) ASIAN CONTRARIAN EQUITY \"ZU\" (USD) ACC","LU1366334578.USD":"ALLSPRING EMERGING MARKETS EQUITY INCOME \"A\" (USD) INC","BK4551":"寇图资本持仓","BK4509":"腾讯概念","LU0359202008.SGD":"Blackrock China Fund A2 SGD-H","LU0456827905.SGD":"JPMorgan Funds - China A (acc) SGD","BK1588":"回港中概股","LU0456842615.SGD":"JPMorgan Funds - Emerging Markets Equity A (acc) SGD","BK4579":"人工智能","LU0594300419.USD":"富达中国消费基金A","LU0128522157.USD":"TEMPLETON ASIAN GROWTH \"A\" ACC","LU0052750758.USD":"富兰克林中国基金A Acc","LU0791591158.USD":"ALLSPRING  EMERGING MARKTES EQUITY INCOME \"I\" (USD) ACC","LU0488056044.USD":"Allianz Asian Multi Income Plus Cl AM DIS USD","LU0320764599.SGD":"FTIF - Templeton China A Acc SGD","LU0384037296.USD":"ALLIANZ ASIAN MULTI INCOME PLUS \"AT\" (USD) ACC","LU0084288322.USD":"Natixis Asia Equity RD USD","LU0431992006.USD":"摩根大通新兴市场机会A（acc）","LU0708995583.HKD":"TEMPLETON CHINA \"A\" (HKD) ACC","BK4585":"ETF&股票定投概念","LU0051755006.USD":"摩根大通中国A (dist)","BK1591":"就地过年概念","BK4503":"景林资产持仓","JD":"京东","LU1044875133.USD":"天利亚洲反向股票 AU Acc","LU0327786744.USD":"Janus Henderson Horizon China Opportunities A2 USD","BK4122":"互联网与直销零售","LU0315178854.USD":"EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS ASIAN EQUITY INCOME \"A\" ACC","LU0211977185.USD":"EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS GREATER CHINA EQUITY \"A\" ACC","BK4558":"双十一","09618":"京东集团-SW","LU0228367735.SGD":"Eastspring Investments - Asian Equity Fund AS SGD","LU0048580855.USD":"富达大中华区A","LU0029875118.USD":"TEMPLETON ASIAN GROWTH \"A\" INC","LU0163747925.USD":"EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS ASIAN EQUITY A ACC","BK1502":"双十一","LU0315179316.USD":"EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS ASIAN DYNAMIC \"A\" (USD) ACC","BK1249":"综合零售","LU0417516738.SGD":"Allianz Hong Kong Equity AT Acc SGD","BK4588":"碎股","LU0868486357.SGD":"JPMorgan Funds - Emerging Markets Opportunities A (acc) SGD-H","SG9999002463.SGD":"LionGlobal China Growth SGD","LU0588545904.SGD":"Eastspring Investments - Asian Equity Income ASDM SGD","LU1880383366.USD":"东方汇理中国股票基金 A2 (C)","LU1366334651.USD":"ALLSPRING EMERGING MARKETS EQUITY INCOME \"I\" (USD) INC","LU0359201612.USD":"贝莱德中国基金A2","LU0588545730.USD":"EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS ASIAN EQUITY INCOME \"ADM\" (USD) INC","IE0008368742.USD":"首域中国增长基金I Acc"},"source_url":"https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2024/05/21/2885338/0/en/JD-com-Announces-Proposed-Offering-of-US-1-5-Billion-Convertible-Senior-Notes.html","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2437495789","content_text":"JD.com stock dropped 5% in premarket trading after the company announces proposed offering of US$1.5 billion convertible senior notes.BEIJING, May 21, 2024 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- JD.com, Inc. (“JD” or the “Company”) (NASDAQ: JD and HKEX: 9618 (HKD counter) and 89618 (RMB counter)), a leading supply chain-based technology and service provider, today announced a proposed offering (the “Notes Offering”) of convertible senior notes in an aggregate principal amount of US$1.5 billion due 2029 (the “Notes”), subject to market conditions and other factors. The Company intends to grant an option to the initial purchasers in the Notes Offering, exercisable within a 30-day period, beginning on and including the date of the Notes Offering, to purchase up to an additional US$225 million in aggregate principal amount of the Notes.The Company plans to use the net proceeds from the Notes Offering (a) for the Concurrent Repurchase (as described below) and to repurchase on the open market, after the pricing of the Notes and from time to time, additional Class A ordinary shares and/or American depositary shares (“ADSs”), each representing two Class A ordinary shares, of the Company pursuant to its share repurchase program(s), (b) to expand its overseas business, (c) to further improve its supply chain network and (d) for working capital needs.Expected Terms of the NotesWhen issued, the Notes will be senior, unsecured obligations of the Company. The Notes will mature on June 1, 2029, unless earlier redeemed, repurchased or converted in accordance with their terms prior to such date.Holders of the Notes may convert their Notes at their option at any time prior to the close of business on the third scheduled trading day immediately preceding the maturity date. Upon conversion, the Company will pay or deliver, as the case may be, cash, ADSs, or a combination of cash and ADSs, at the Company’s election. Holders may elect to receive Class A ordinary shares in lieu of any ADSs deliverable upon conversion, which will be fungible with the Company’s Class A ordinary shares listed on the Stock Exchange of Hong Kong Limited (“Hong Kong Stock Exchange”) after the resale restriction termination date (as set forth in the terms of the Notes). The interest rate, initial conversion rate and other terms of the Notes will be determined at the time of pricing of the Notes.Holders of the Notes may require the Company to repurchase all or part of their Notes for cash on June 1, 2027 or in the event of certain fundamental changes, at a repurchase price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be repurchased, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the relevant repurchase date. In addition, on or after June 8, 2027, the Company may redeem all or part of the Notes for cash subject to certain conditions, at a redemption price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be redeemed, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the relevant optional redemption date. Furthermore, the Company may redeem all but not part of the Notes in the event of certain changes in the tax laws or if less than 10% of the aggregate principal amount of the Notes originally issued remains outstanding at such time, at a redemption price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be redeemed, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the related redemption date.Concurrent and Future RepurchasesConcurrently with the pricing of the Notes, the Company plans to repurchase a number of its Class A ordinary shares and/or ADSs to be determined at the time of pricing of the Notes from certain purchasers of the Notes in off-market privately negotiated transactions effected through one of the initial purchasers or its affiliates, as the Company’s agent (such transactions, the “Concurrent Repurchase”). The Concurrent Repurchase is expected to facilitate the initial hedging by purchasers of the Notes who desire to hedge their investments in the Notes, as the Company intends to repurchase the entire initial delta of the transaction. This will allow such purchasers of the Notes to establish short positions that generally correspond to commercially reasonable initial hedges of their investments in the Notes. The Concurrent Repurchase will be made pursuant to the Company’s share repurchase program announced in March 2024. The Company expects the purchase price in the Concurrent Repurchase to be (i) in the case of ADSs, the closing price of the Class A ordinary shares on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange on May 21, 2024 as adjusted for the ADS-to-share ratio at a pre-determined exchange rate for U.S. dollars and (ii) in the case of Class A ordinary shares, the closing price of the Class A ordinary shares on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange on May 21, 2024.In addition to the Concurrent Repurchase, the Company may also repurchase additional Class A ordinary shares and/or ADSs on the open market after the pricing of the Notes and from time to time. The Concurrent Repurchase and future repurchases pursuant to the Company’s share repurchase program(s) will be funded by the net proceeds of the Notes Offering and other cash on hand, and, in the aggregate, are generally expected to offset potential dilution to the holders of the Company’s ordinary shares (including in the form of ADSs) upon conversion of the Notes.Other MattersThe repurchase activities by the Company, whether in the Concurrent Repurchase or otherwise pursuant to its share repurchase program(s), could increase, or reduce the magnitude of any decrease in, the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes.The Company expects that potential purchasers of the Notes may employ a convertible arbitrage strategy to hedge their exposure in connection with the Notes. Any such activities by potential purchasers of the Notes following the pricing of the Notes and prior to the maturity date could affect the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes. The effect, if any, of the activities described in this paragraph, including the direction or magnitude, on the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes will depend on a variety of factors, including market conditions, and cannot be ascertained at this time.The Notes, the ADSs deliverable upon conversion of the Notes, if any, and the Class A ordinary shares represented thereby or deliverable upon conversion of Notes in lieu thereof have not been and will not be registered under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the “Securities Act”) or securities laws of any other places. They may not be offered or sold within the United States or to U.S. persons, except to persons reasonably believed to be qualified institutional buyers in reliance on the exemption from registration provided by Rule 144A under the Securities Act and to certain non-U.S. persons in offshore transactions in reliance on Regulation S under the Securities Act.This press release shall not constitute an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to purchase any securities, nor shall there be a sale of the securities in any state or jurisdiction in which such an offer, solicitation or sale would be unlawful.This press release contains information about the pending Notes Offering, and there can be no assurance that the Notes Offering will be completed.About JD.com, Inc.JD.com is a leading supply chain-based technology and service provider. The company’s cutting-edge retail infrastructure seeks to enable consumers to buy whatever they want, whenever and wherever they want it. The company has opened its technology and infrastructure to partners, brands and other sectors, as part of its Retail as a Service offering to help drive productivity and innovation across a range of industries.Safe Harbor StatementThis announcement contains forward-looking statements. These statements are made under the “safe harbor” provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements can be identified by terminology such as “will,” “expects,” “anticipates,” “future,” “intends,” “plans,” “believes,” “estimates,” “confident” and similar statements. JD.com may also make written or oral forward-looking statements in its periodic reports to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (the “SEC”), in announcements made on the website of the Hong Kong Stock Exchange, in its annual report to shareholders, in press releases and other written materials and in oral statements made by its officers, directors or employees to third parties. 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tg-height=\"240\"/></p><p>格伯认为，在一系列熟悉的问题中，这一趋势仍在继续，包括估值过高、对该公司全自动驾驶（FSD）能力的担忧，以及马斯克不可预测的行为带来的连锁反应。</p><p>在最新的一次采访中，格伯进一步阐述了他的悲观观点，概述了他认为特斯拉很容易受到高达50%的下跌影响的原因。</p><p>监管文件显示，格伯在2024年将持有的特斯拉股份减少了31%，截至去年年底，他仍持有26.2万股特斯拉股票，价值1.06亿美元。</p><p><strong>以下是格伯预测特斯拉将面临艰难一年的四个原因：</strong></p><p><strong>1． FSD“行不通”</strong></p><p>格伯认为，今年特斯拉的股票将遭遇灾难，因为马斯克6月份在德克萨斯州奥斯汀推出自动驾驶出租车网络的目标过于雄心勃勃。</p><p>“所有这些东西都将在今年实现，因为他把实现全自动驾驶的最后期限定为几个月后。这似乎不可能发生，”格伯说。</p><p>“我们在机器人出租车和自动驾驶方面远远落后，这是毫无疑问的，”戈伯说，并补充说他认为Waymo的方法是“一个更安全的系统”。</p><p>他说：“我现在认为，你需要激光雷达来拥有一个足够安全的全自动驾驶系统。他们（特斯拉）将会碰壁，除非他们改变硬件，否则他们无法变得更好。”</p><p><strong>2． 马斯克分心了</strong></p><p>从经营特斯拉、SpaceX和xAI等多家公司，到在X上发表大量文章，到在DOGE牵头提高政府效率，再到成为十几个孩子的父亲，可以肯定地说，马斯克一天中的时间可能不够用。</p><p>格伯认为，这对特斯拉股东来说是个问题，尤其是考虑到马斯克最近几个月的唯一关注点似乎是人工智能。</p><p>格伯表示：“他100%专注于人工智能，这对特斯拉的不利影响大于对xAI和其他所有业务的有利影响，因为他已经不在特斯拉工作了。”</p><p>“如果他把所有的时间都投入到全自动驾驶上，我对特斯拉会更有信心。”</p><p><strong>3． 电动汽车销售放缓</strong></p><p>虽然投资者对特斯拉的炒作主要集中在其自动驾驶和机器人的雄心上，但销售汽车仍然是该公司的核心业务，而这一业务开始放缓。</p><p>去年是特斯拉电动汽车销量首次出现年度下滑。在预测2025年增长20%-30%之后，该公司管理层在最新的财报电话会议上表示，预计今年将“恢复增长”。</p><p>对于格伯来说，来自比亚迪日益激烈的竞争，对特斯拉在美国以外的电动汽车业务构成了真正的威胁。他说。“比亚迪是一家如此优秀的公司，新兴市场的每个人都在购买比亚迪。”</p><p>特斯拉面临的另一个威胁是马斯克与美国总统特朗普的密切关系。</p><p>格伯解释道：“这只会制造愤怒。我从未见过这种对特斯拉的愤怒，但这不是对特斯拉这个公司的愤怒，而是因为埃隆，这是人们发泄愤怒的唯一途径。”</p><p>美国歌手谢丽尔·克劳（Sheryl Crow）上周在Instagram上发布了一段视频，向她的特斯拉挥手告别，她卖掉了特斯拉以示抗议。</p><p>这一趋势可能会在美国以外的地区加速发展，据报道，特斯拉1月份在法国、德国和挪威的汽车销量分别下降了63%、60%和38%。</p><p>“我们必须卖车，但人们已经不想要了，”格伯说。</p><p><strong>4． 特斯拉估值较高</strong></p><p>相对于其他汽车制造商和市值巨大的科技同行，特斯拉的估值一直较高，但如果特斯拉的汽车销售持续放缓，这种溢价可能会大幅降低。</p><p>YCharts的数据显示，尽管特斯拉去年的利润仅为丰田的20%，但其市值高达1.1万亿美元，是丰田的近5倍。其预期市盈率为118倍，是“七巨头”股票中第二高的<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">英伟达</a>（Nvidia）的三倍多，也高于其84倍的5年平均水平。</p><p>“对我来说，问题是，我以125倍的市盈率持有1亿美元的特斯拉股票，它甚至不接近’七巨头”中任何正常股票的市盈率，”格伯说，“因此，特斯拉的弱点是，如果今年情况不顺利，它可能会下跌50%。所以我们卖出特斯拉的股票。我们仍然有大量的股票，我们卖掉它们，因为我们认为它们被高估了。”</p><p>华尔街的一些大公司可能会同意格伯的观点。<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/JPM\">摩根大通</a>对特斯拉最新的盈利发布持悲观态度。尽管投资者最初热情高涨，但该行表示，特斯拉股票的目标价仍为135美元，这意味着特斯拉股价可能较当前水平下跌60%。</p><p><em>本文编译自 BUSINESS INSIDER 《He was once Elon Musk&#39;s biggest believer. 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(“JD” or the “Company”) (NASDAQ: JD and HKEX: 9618 (HKD counter) and 89618 (RMB counter)), a leading supply chain-based technology and service ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>JD.com stock dropped 5% in premarket trading after the company announces proposed offering of US$1.5 billion convertible senior notes.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/64a800228a11cef45f2243f80c55bc1b\" tg-width=\"469\" tg-height=\"419\"/></p><p>BEIJING, May 21, 2024 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- JD.com, Inc. (“JD” or the “Company”) (NASDAQ: JD and HKEX: 9618 (HKD counter) and 89618 (RMB counter)), a leading supply chain-based technology and service provider, today announced a proposed offering (the “Notes Offering”) of convertible senior notes in an aggregate principal amount of US$1.5 billion due 2029 (the “Notes”), subject to market conditions and other factors. The Company intends to grant an option to the initial purchasers in the Notes Offering, exercisable within a 30-day period, beginning on and including the date of the Notes Offering, to purchase up to an additional US$225 million in aggregate principal amount of the Notes.<br/></p><p>The Company plans to use the net proceeds from the Notes Offering (a) for the Concurrent Repurchase (as described below) and to repurchase on the open market, after the pricing of the Notes and from time to time, additional Class A ordinary shares and/or American depositary shares (“ADSs”), each representing two Class A ordinary shares, of the Company pursuant to its share repurchase program(s), (b) to expand its overseas business, (c) to further improve its supply chain network and (d) for working capital needs.</p><p><strong>Expected Terms of the Notes</strong></p><p>When issued, the Notes will be senior, unsecured obligations of the Company. The Notes will mature on June 1, 2029, unless earlier redeemed, repurchased or converted in accordance with their terms prior to such date.</p><p>Holders of the Notes may convert their Notes at their option at any time prior to the close of business on the third scheduled trading day immediately preceding the maturity date. Upon conversion, the Company will pay or deliver, as the case may be, cash, ADSs, or a combination of cash and ADSs, at the Company’s election. Holders may elect to receive Class A ordinary shares in lieu of any ADSs deliverable upon conversion, which will be fungible with the Company’s Class A ordinary shares listed on the Stock Exchange of Hong Kong Limited (“Hong Kong Stock Exchange”) after the resale restriction termination date (as set forth in the terms of the Notes). The interest rate, initial conversion rate and other terms of the Notes will be determined at the time of pricing of the Notes.</p><p>Holders of the Notes may require the Company to repurchase all or part of their Notes for cash on June 1, 2027 or in the event of certain fundamental changes, at a repurchase price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be repurchased, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the relevant repurchase date. In addition, on or after June 8, 2027, the Company may redeem all or part of the Notes for cash subject to certain conditions, at a redemption price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be redeemed, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the relevant optional redemption date. Furthermore, the Company may redeem all but not part of the Notes in the event of certain changes in the tax laws or if less than 10% of the aggregate principal amount of the Notes originally issued remains outstanding at such time, at a redemption price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be redeemed, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the related redemption date.</p><p><strong>Concurrent and Future Repurchases</strong></p><p>Concurrently with the pricing of the Notes, the Company plans to repurchase a number of its Class A ordinary shares and/or ADSs to be determined at the time of pricing of the Notes from certain purchasers of the Notes in off-market privately negotiated transactions effected through one of the initial purchasers or its affiliates, as the Company’s agent (such transactions, the “Concurrent Repurchase”). The Concurrent Repurchase is expected to facilitate the initial hedging by purchasers of the Notes who desire to hedge their investments in the Notes, as the Company intends to repurchase the entire initial delta of the transaction. This will allow such purchasers of the Notes to establish short positions that generally correspond to commercially reasonable initial hedges of their investments in the Notes. The Concurrent Repurchase will be made pursuant to the Company’s share repurchase program announced in March 2024. The Company expects the purchase price in the Concurrent Repurchase to be (i) in the case of ADSs, the closing price of the Class A ordinary shares on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange on May 21, 2024 as adjusted for the ADS-to-share ratio at a pre-determined exchange rate for U.S. dollars and (ii) in the case of Class A ordinary shares, the closing price of the Class A ordinary shares on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange on May 21, 2024.</p><p>In addition to the Concurrent Repurchase, the Company may also repurchase additional Class A ordinary shares and/or ADSs on the open market after the pricing of the Notes and from time to time. The Concurrent Repurchase and future repurchases pursuant to the Company’s share repurchase program(s) will be funded by the net proceeds of the Notes Offering and other cash on hand, and, in the aggregate, are generally expected to offset potential dilution to the holders of the Company’s ordinary shares (including in the form of ADSs) upon conversion of the Notes.</p><p><strong>Other Matters</strong></p><p>The repurchase activities by the Company, whether in the Concurrent Repurchase or otherwise pursuant to its share repurchase program(s), could increase, or reduce the magnitude of any decrease in, the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes.</p><p>The Company expects that potential purchasers of the Notes may employ a convertible arbitrage strategy to hedge their exposure in connection with the Notes. Any such activities by potential purchasers of the Notes following the pricing of the Notes and prior to the maturity date could affect the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes. The effect, if any, of the activities described in this paragraph, including the direction or magnitude, on the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes will depend on a variety of factors, including market conditions, and cannot be ascertained at this time.</p><p>The Notes, the ADSs deliverable upon conversion of the Notes, if any, and the Class A ordinary shares represented thereby or deliverable upon conversion of Notes in lieu thereof have not been and will not be registered under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the “Securities Act”) or securities laws of any other places. They may not be offered or sold within the United States or to U.S. persons, except to persons reasonably believed to be qualified institutional buyers in reliance on the exemption from registration provided by Rule 144A under the Securities Act and to certain non-U.S. persons in offshore transactions in reliance on Regulation S under the Securities Act.</p><p>This press release shall not constitute an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to purchase any securities, nor shall there be a sale of the securities in any state or jurisdiction in which such an offer, solicitation or sale would be unlawful.</p><p>This press release contains information about the pending Notes Offering, and there can be no assurance that the Notes Offering will be completed.</p><p><strong>About JD.com, Inc.</strong></p><p>JD.com is a leading supply chain-based technology and service provider. The company’s cutting-edge retail infrastructure seeks to enable consumers to buy whatever they want, whenever and wherever they want it. The company has opened its technology and infrastructure to partners, brands and other sectors, as part of its Retail as a Service offering to help drive productivity and innovation across a range of industries.</p><p><strong>Safe Harbor Statement</strong></p><p>This announcement contains forward-looking statements. These statements are made under the “safe harbor” provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements can be identified by terminology such as “will,” “expects,” “anticipates,” “future,” “intends,” “plans,” “believes,” “estimates,” “confident” and similar statements. JD.com may also make written or oral forward-looking statements in its periodic reports to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (the “SEC”), in announcements made on the website of the Hong Kong Stock Exchange, in its annual report to shareholders, in press releases and other written materials and in oral statements made by its officers, directors or employees to third parties. Statements that are not historical facts, including statements about JD.com’s beliefs and expectations, are forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. A number of factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any forward-looking statement, including but not limited to the following: JD.com’s growth strategies; its future business development, results of operations and financial condition; its ability to attract and retain new customers and to increase revenues generated from repeat customers; its expectations regarding demand for and market acceptance of its products and services; trends and competition in China’s e-commerce market; changes in its revenues and certain cost or expense items; the expected growth of the Chinese e-commerce market; laws, regulations and governmental policies relating to the industries in which JD.com or its business partners operate; potential changes in laws, regulations and governmental policies or changes in the interpretation and implementation of laws, regulations and governmental policies that could adversely affect the industries in which JD.com or its business partners operate, including, among others, initiatives to enhance supervision of companies listed on an overseas exchange and tighten scrutiny over data privacy and data security; risks associated with JD.com’s acquisitions, investments and alliances, including fluctuation in the market value of JD.com’s investment portfolio; natural disasters and geopolitical events; change in tax rates and financial risks; intensity of competition; and general market and economic conditions in China and globally. Further information regarding these and other risks is included in JD.com’s filings with the SEC and the announcements on the website of the Hong Kong Stock Exchange. All information provided herein is as of the date of this announcement, and JD.com undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statement, except as required under applicable law.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c2196de8ba412c60c22ab491af7b1409\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1\" tg-height=\"1\"/></p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>JD.com Drops 5% After the Company Announces Proposed Offering of US$1.5 Billion Convertible Senior Notes</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nJD.com Drops 5% After the Company Announces Proposed Offering of US$1.5 Billion Convertible Senior Notes\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<a class=\"head\" href=\"https://laohu8.com/wemedia/1016364462\">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/31bb960c88eab45f27ccc9fce75dee9a);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">GlobeNewswire </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2024-05-21 16:39</p>\n</div>\n\n</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p>JD.com stock dropped 5% in premarket trading after the company announces proposed offering of US$1.5 billion convertible senior notes.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/64a800228a11cef45f2243f80c55bc1b\" tg-width=\"469\" tg-height=\"419\"/></p><p>BEIJING, May 21, 2024 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- JD.com, Inc. (“JD” or the “Company”) (NASDAQ: JD and HKEX: 9618 (HKD counter) and 89618 (RMB counter)), a leading supply chain-based technology and service provider, today announced a proposed offering (the “Notes Offering”) of convertible senior notes in an aggregate principal amount of US$1.5 billion due 2029 (the “Notes”), subject to market conditions and other factors. The Company intends to grant an option to the initial purchasers in the Notes Offering, exercisable within a 30-day period, beginning on and including the date of the Notes Offering, to purchase up to an additional US$225 million in aggregate principal amount of the Notes.<br/></p><p>The Company plans to use the net proceeds from the Notes Offering (a) for the Concurrent Repurchase (as described below) and to repurchase on the open market, after the pricing of the Notes and from time to time, additional Class A ordinary shares and/or American depositary shares (“ADSs”), each representing two Class A ordinary shares, of the Company pursuant to its share repurchase program(s), (b) to expand its overseas business, (c) to further improve its supply chain network and (d) for working capital needs.</p><p><strong>Expected Terms of the Notes</strong></p><p>When issued, the Notes will be senior, unsecured obligations of the Company. The Notes will mature on June 1, 2029, unless earlier redeemed, repurchased or converted in accordance with their terms prior to such date.</p><p>Holders of the Notes may convert their Notes at their option at any time prior to the close of business on the third scheduled trading day immediately preceding the maturity date. Upon conversion, the Company will pay or deliver, as the case may be, cash, ADSs, or a combination of cash and ADSs, at the Company’s election. Holders may elect to receive Class A ordinary shares in lieu of any ADSs deliverable upon conversion, which will be fungible with the Company’s Class A ordinary shares listed on the Stock Exchange of Hong Kong Limited (“Hong Kong Stock Exchange”) after the resale restriction termination date (as set forth in the terms of the Notes). The interest rate, initial conversion rate and other terms of the Notes will be determined at the time of pricing of the Notes.</p><p>Holders of the Notes may require the Company to repurchase all or part of their Notes for cash on June 1, 2027 or in the event of certain fundamental changes, at a repurchase price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be repurchased, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the relevant repurchase date. In addition, on or after June 8, 2027, the Company may redeem all or part of the Notes for cash subject to certain conditions, at a redemption price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be redeemed, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the relevant optional redemption date. Furthermore, the Company may redeem all but not part of the Notes in the event of certain changes in the tax laws or if less than 10% of the aggregate principal amount of the Notes originally issued remains outstanding at such time, at a redemption price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be redeemed, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the related redemption date.</p><p><strong>Concurrent and Future Repurchases</strong></p><p>Concurrently with the pricing of the Notes, the Company plans to repurchase a number of its Class A ordinary shares and/or ADSs to be determined at the time of pricing of the Notes from certain purchasers of the Notes in off-market privately negotiated transactions effected through one of the initial purchasers or its affiliates, as the Company’s agent (such transactions, the “Concurrent Repurchase”). The Concurrent Repurchase is expected to facilitate the initial hedging by purchasers of the Notes who desire to hedge their investments in the Notes, as the Company intends to repurchase the entire initial delta of the transaction. This will allow such purchasers of the Notes to establish short positions that generally correspond to commercially reasonable initial hedges of their investments in the Notes. The Concurrent Repurchase will be made pursuant to the Company’s share repurchase program announced in March 2024. The Company expects the purchase price in the Concurrent Repurchase to be (i) in the case of ADSs, the closing price of the Class A ordinary shares on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange on May 21, 2024 as adjusted for the ADS-to-share ratio at a pre-determined exchange rate for U.S. dollars and (ii) in the case of Class A ordinary shares, the closing price of the Class A ordinary shares on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange on May 21, 2024.</p><p>In addition to the Concurrent Repurchase, the Company may also repurchase additional Class A ordinary shares and/or ADSs on the open market after the pricing of the Notes and from time to time. The Concurrent Repurchase and future repurchases pursuant to the Company’s share repurchase program(s) will be funded by the net proceeds of the Notes Offering and other cash on hand, and, in the aggregate, are generally expected to offset potential dilution to the holders of the Company’s ordinary shares (including in the form of ADSs) upon conversion of the Notes.</p><p><strong>Other Matters</strong></p><p>The repurchase activities by the Company, whether in the Concurrent Repurchase or otherwise pursuant to its share repurchase program(s), could increase, or reduce the magnitude of any decrease in, the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes.</p><p>The Company expects that potential purchasers of the Notes may employ a convertible arbitrage strategy to hedge their exposure in connection with the Notes. Any such activities by potential purchasers of the Notes following the pricing of the Notes and prior to the maturity date could affect the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes. The effect, if any, of the activities described in this paragraph, including the direction or magnitude, on the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes will depend on a variety of factors, including market conditions, and cannot be ascertained at this time.</p><p>The Notes, the ADSs deliverable upon conversion of the Notes, if any, and the Class A ordinary shares represented thereby or deliverable upon conversion of Notes in lieu thereof have not been and will not be registered under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the “Securities Act”) or securities laws of any other places. They may not be offered or sold within the United States or to U.S. persons, except to persons reasonably believed to be qualified institutional buyers in reliance on the exemption from registration provided by Rule 144A under the Securities Act and to certain non-U.S. persons in offshore transactions in reliance on Regulation S under the Securities Act.</p><p>This press release shall not constitute an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to purchase any securities, nor shall there be a sale of the securities in any state or jurisdiction in which such an offer, solicitation or sale would be unlawful.</p><p>This press release contains information about the pending Notes Offering, and there can be no assurance that the Notes Offering will be completed.</p><p><strong>About JD.com, Inc.</strong></p><p>JD.com is a leading supply chain-based technology and service provider. The company’s cutting-edge retail infrastructure seeks to enable consumers to buy whatever they want, whenever and wherever they want it. The company has opened its technology and infrastructure to partners, brands and other sectors, as part of its Retail as a Service offering to help drive productivity and innovation across a range of industries.</p><p><strong>Safe Harbor Statement</strong></p><p>This announcement contains forward-looking statements. These statements are made under the “safe harbor” provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements can be identified by terminology such as “will,” “expects,” “anticipates,” “future,” “intends,” “plans,” “believes,” “estimates,” “confident” and similar statements. JD.com may also make written or oral forward-looking statements in its periodic reports to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (the “SEC”), in announcements made on the website of the Hong Kong Stock Exchange, in its annual report to shareholders, in press releases and other written materials and in oral statements made by its officers, directors or employees to third parties. Statements that are not historical facts, including statements about JD.com’s beliefs and expectations, are forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. A number of factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any forward-looking statement, including but not limited to the following: JD.com’s growth strategies; its future business development, results of operations and financial condition; its ability to attract and retain new customers and to increase revenues generated from repeat customers; its expectations regarding demand for and market acceptance of its products and services; trends and competition in China’s e-commerce market; changes in its revenues and certain cost or expense items; the expected growth of the Chinese e-commerce market; laws, regulations and governmental policies relating to the industries in which JD.com or its business partners operate; potential changes in laws, regulations and governmental policies or changes in the interpretation and implementation of laws, regulations and governmental policies that could adversely affect the industries in which JD.com or its business partners operate, including, among others, initiatives to enhance supervision of companies listed on an overseas exchange and tighten scrutiny over data privacy and data security; risks associated with JD.com’s acquisitions, investments and alliances, including fluctuation in the market value of JD.com’s investment portfolio; natural disasters and geopolitical events; change in tax rates and financial risks; intensity of competition; and general market and economic conditions in China and globally. Further information regarding these and other risks is included in JD.com’s filings with the SEC and the announcements on the website of the Hong Kong Stock Exchange. All information provided herein is as of the date of this announcement, and JD.com undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statement, except as required under applicable law.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c2196de8ba412c60c22ab491af7b1409\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1\" tg-height=\"1\"/></p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"89618":"京东集团-SWR","LU1023057109.AUD":"BGF CHINA \"A2\" (AUDHDG) ACC","LU1044876610.USD":"THREADNEEDLE (LUX) ASIAN CONTRARIAN EQUITY \"ZU\" (USD) ACC","LU1366334578.USD":"ALLSPRING EMERGING MARKETS EQUITY INCOME \"A\" (USD) INC","BK4551":"寇图资本持仓","BK4509":"腾讯概念","LU0359202008.SGD":"Blackrock China Fund A2 SGD-H","LU0456827905.SGD":"JPMorgan Funds - China A (acc) SGD","BK1588":"回港中概股","LU0456842615.SGD":"JPMorgan Funds - Emerging Markets Equity A (acc) SGD","BK4579":"人工智能","LU0594300419.USD":"富达中国消费基金A","LU0128522157.USD":"TEMPLETON ASIAN GROWTH \"A\" ACC","LU0052750758.USD":"富兰克林中国基金A Acc","LU0791591158.USD":"ALLSPRING  EMERGING MARKTES EQUITY INCOME \"I\" (USD) ACC","LU0488056044.USD":"Allianz Asian Multi Income Plus Cl AM DIS USD","LU0320764599.SGD":"FTIF - Templeton China A Acc SGD","LU0384037296.USD":"ALLIANZ ASIAN MULTI INCOME PLUS \"AT\" (USD) ACC","LU0084288322.USD":"Natixis Asia Equity RD USD","LU0431992006.USD":"摩根大通新兴市场机会A（acc）","LU0708995583.HKD":"TEMPLETON CHINA \"A\" (HKD) ACC","BK4585":"ETF&股票定投概念","LU0051755006.USD":"摩根大通中国A (dist)","BK1591":"就地过年概念","BK4503":"景林资产持仓","JD":"京东","LU1044875133.USD":"天利亚洲反向股票 AU Acc","LU0327786744.USD":"Janus Henderson Horizon China Opportunities A2 USD","BK4122":"互联网与直销零售","LU0315178854.USD":"EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS ASIAN EQUITY INCOME \"A\" ACC","LU0211977185.USD":"EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS GREATER CHINA EQUITY \"A\" ACC","BK4558":"双十一","09618":"京东集团-SW","LU0228367735.SGD":"Eastspring Investments - Asian Equity Fund AS SGD","LU0048580855.USD":"富达大中华区A","LU0029875118.USD":"TEMPLETON ASIAN GROWTH \"A\" INC","LU0163747925.USD":"EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS ASIAN EQUITY A ACC","BK1502":"双十一","LU0315179316.USD":"EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS ASIAN DYNAMIC \"A\" (USD) ACC","BK1249":"综合零售","LU0417516738.SGD":"Allianz Hong Kong Equity AT Acc SGD","BK4588":"碎股","LU0868486357.SGD":"JPMorgan Funds - Emerging Markets Opportunities A (acc) SGD-H","SG9999002463.SGD":"LionGlobal China Growth SGD","LU0588545904.SGD":"Eastspring Investments - Asian Equity Income ASDM SGD","LU1880383366.USD":"东方汇理中国股票基金 A2 (C)","LU1366334651.USD":"ALLSPRING EMERGING MARKETS EQUITY INCOME \"I\" (USD) INC","LU0359201612.USD":"贝莱德中国基金A2","LU0588545730.USD":"EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS ASIAN EQUITY INCOME \"ADM\" (USD) INC","IE0008368742.USD":"首域中国增长基金I Acc"},"source_url":"https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2024/05/21/2885338/0/en/JD-com-Announces-Proposed-Offering-of-US-1-5-Billion-Convertible-Senior-Notes.html","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2437495789","content_text":"JD.com stock dropped 5% in premarket trading after the company announces proposed offering of US$1.5 billion convertible senior notes.BEIJING, May 21, 2024 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- JD.com, Inc. (“JD” or the “Company”) (NASDAQ: JD and HKEX: 9618 (HKD counter) and 89618 (RMB counter)), a leading supply chain-based technology and service provider, today announced a proposed offering (the “Notes Offering”) of convertible senior notes in an aggregate principal amount of US$1.5 billion due 2029 (the “Notes”), subject to market conditions and other factors. The Company intends to grant an option to the initial purchasers in the Notes Offering, exercisable within a 30-day period, beginning on and including the date of the Notes Offering, to purchase up to an additional US$225 million in aggregate principal amount of the Notes.The Company plans to use the net proceeds from the Notes Offering (a) for the Concurrent Repurchase (as described below) and to repurchase on the open market, after the pricing of the Notes and from time to time, additional Class A ordinary shares and/or American depositary shares (“ADSs”), each representing two Class A ordinary shares, of the Company pursuant to its share repurchase program(s), (b) to expand its overseas business, (c) to further improve its supply chain network and (d) for working capital needs.Expected Terms of the NotesWhen issued, the Notes will be senior, unsecured obligations of the Company. The Notes will mature on June 1, 2029, unless earlier redeemed, repurchased or converted in accordance with their terms prior to such date.Holders of the Notes may convert their Notes at their option at any time prior to the close of business on the third scheduled trading day immediately preceding the maturity date. Upon conversion, the Company will pay or deliver, as the case may be, cash, ADSs, or a combination of cash and ADSs, at the Company’s election. Holders may elect to receive Class A ordinary shares in lieu of any ADSs deliverable upon conversion, which will be fungible with the Company’s Class A ordinary shares listed on the Stock Exchange of Hong Kong Limited (“Hong Kong Stock Exchange”) after the resale restriction termination date (as set forth in the terms of the Notes). The interest rate, initial conversion rate and other terms of the Notes will be determined at the time of pricing of the Notes.Holders of the Notes may require the Company to repurchase all or part of their Notes for cash on June 1, 2027 or in the event of certain fundamental changes, at a repurchase price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be repurchased, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the relevant repurchase date. In addition, on or after June 8, 2027, the Company may redeem all or part of the Notes for cash subject to certain conditions, at a redemption price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be redeemed, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the relevant optional redemption date. Furthermore, the Company may redeem all but not part of the Notes in the event of certain changes in the tax laws or if less than 10% of the aggregate principal amount of the Notes originally issued remains outstanding at such time, at a redemption price equal to 100% of the principal amount of the Notes to be redeemed, plus accrued and unpaid interest, if any, to, but excluding, the related redemption date.Concurrent and Future RepurchasesConcurrently with the pricing of the Notes, the Company plans to repurchase a number of its Class A ordinary shares and/or ADSs to be determined at the time of pricing of the Notes from certain purchasers of the Notes in off-market privately negotiated transactions effected through one of the initial purchasers or its affiliates, as the Company’s agent (such transactions, the “Concurrent Repurchase”). The Concurrent Repurchase is expected to facilitate the initial hedging by purchasers of the Notes who desire to hedge their investments in the Notes, as the Company intends to repurchase the entire initial delta of the transaction. This will allow such purchasers of the Notes to establish short positions that generally correspond to commercially reasonable initial hedges of their investments in the Notes. The Concurrent Repurchase will be made pursuant to the Company’s share repurchase program announced in March 2024. The Company expects the purchase price in the Concurrent Repurchase to be (i) in the case of ADSs, the closing price of the Class A ordinary shares on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange on May 21, 2024 as adjusted for the ADS-to-share ratio at a pre-determined exchange rate for U.S. dollars and (ii) in the case of Class A ordinary shares, the closing price of the Class A ordinary shares on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange on May 21, 2024.In addition to the Concurrent Repurchase, the Company may also repurchase additional Class A ordinary shares and/or ADSs on the open market after the pricing of the Notes and from time to time. The Concurrent Repurchase and future repurchases pursuant to the Company’s share repurchase program(s) will be funded by the net proceeds of the Notes Offering and other cash on hand, and, in the aggregate, are generally expected to offset potential dilution to the holders of the Company’s ordinary shares (including in the form of ADSs) upon conversion of the Notes.Other MattersThe repurchase activities by the Company, whether in the Concurrent Repurchase or otherwise pursuant to its share repurchase program(s), could increase, or reduce the magnitude of any decrease in, the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes.The Company expects that potential purchasers of the Notes may employ a convertible arbitrage strategy to hedge their exposure in connection with the Notes. Any such activities by potential purchasers of the Notes following the pricing of the Notes and prior to the maturity date could affect the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes. The effect, if any, of the activities described in this paragraph, including the direction or magnitude, on the market price of the ADSs and/or Class A ordinary shares and/or the trading price of the Notes will depend on a variety of factors, including market conditions, and cannot be ascertained at this time.The Notes, the ADSs deliverable upon conversion of the Notes, if any, and the Class A ordinary shares represented thereby or deliverable upon conversion of Notes in lieu thereof have not been and will not be registered under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the “Securities Act”) or securities laws of any other places. They may not be offered or sold within the United States or to U.S. persons, except to persons reasonably believed to be qualified institutional buyers in reliance on the exemption from registration provided by Rule 144A under the Securities Act and to certain non-U.S. persons in offshore transactions in reliance on Regulation S under the Securities Act.This press release shall not constitute an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to purchase any securities, nor shall there be a sale of the securities in any state or jurisdiction in which such an offer, solicitation or sale would be unlawful.This press release contains information about the pending Notes Offering, and there can be no assurance that the Notes Offering will be completed.About JD.com, Inc.JD.com is a leading supply chain-based technology and service provider. The company’s cutting-edge retail infrastructure seeks to enable consumers to buy whatever they want, whenever and wherever they want it. The company has opened its technology and infrastructure to partners, brands and other sectors, as part of its Retail as a Service offering to help drive productivity and innovation across a range of industries.Safe Harbor StatementThis announcement contains forward-looking statements. These statements are made under the “safe harbor” provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements can be identified by terminology such as “will,” “expects,” “anticipates,” “future,” “intends,” “plans,” “believes,” “estimates,” “confident” and similar statements. JD.com may also make written or oral forward-looking statements in its periodic reports to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (the “SEC”), in announcements made on the website of the Hong Kong Stock Exchange, in its annual report to shareholders, in press releases and other written materials and in oral statements made by its officers, directors or employees to third parties. Statements that are not historical facts, including statements about JD.com’s beliefs and expectations, are forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. A number of factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any forward-looking statement, including but not limited to the following: JD.com’s growth strategies; its future business development, results of operations and financial condition; its ability to attract and retain new customers and to increase revenues generated from repeat customers; its expectations regarding demand for and market acceptance of its products and services; trends and competition in China’s e-commerce market; changes in its revenues and certain cost or expense items; the expected growth of the Chinese e-commerce market; laws, regulations and governmental policies relating to the industries in which JD.com or its business partners operate; potential changes in laws, regulations and governmental policies or changes in the interpretation and implementation of laws, regulations and governmental policies that could adversely affect the industries in which JD.com or its business partners operate, including, among others, initiatives to enhance supervision of companies listed on an overseas exchange and tighten scrutiny over data privacy and data security; risks associated with JD.com’s acquisitions, investments and alliances, including fluctuation in the market value of JD.com’s investment portfolio; natural disasters and geopolitical events; change in tax rates and financial risks; intensity of competition; and general market and economic conditions in China and globally. Further information regarding these and other risks is included in JD.com’s filings with the SEC and the announcements on the website of the Hong Kong Stock Exchange. All information provided herein is as of the date of this announcement, and JD.com undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statement, except as required under applicable 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src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/7707187829EA9D520B8EA4DB7009BF4EF25B70CE_size185_w1080_h752.png\"/></p><p>媒体不断有消息放出，Meta要对其AI组织结构动刀。</p><p>上个月，Meta超级AI实验室裁掉了数百人，包括10年老将田渊栋。据称，这是为了理顺这种混乱的局面。</p><p>这已经是Meta在半年之内第四次调整AI业务了。</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/E42B36BD65F4E9A36DBF8AF3228B09C81D4BB33D_size202_w1080_h521.png\"/></p><p>而那支曾由LeCun领导、风头一时无两的FAIR，如今早已<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/301100\">风光</a>不再。据现任与前员工透露，这个部门经历了裁员、预算缩水，内部影响力也明显下降。</p><p>曾几何时，FAIR是Meta内部思想最活跃的“象牙塔”，研究人员可以探讨各种AI未来路径，甚至可以做些“未必能成”的实验，完全不用担心产品化问题。</p><p>而现在，Meta新组建的AI研究部门招来一大批高薪新兵，由Wang主导，目标明确：要快、要落地、要产品化。</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/ECE39149CFF0F8E9AC3F1173BC5554567DC41A9F_size2_w112_h59.png\"/></p><p><strong>在AI上，他领先了40年</strong></p><p>LeCun一向走在时代前沿——</p><p>早在“机器学习”还不被主流认可时，他就开始研究这个方向。</p><p>他曾在多伦多的Geoffrey Hinton实验室工作，那时Hinton还没成为AI传奇人物。</p><p>之后，他的职业生涯大多时间都在新泽西州的贝尔实验室度过，这家机构因诞生众多创新发明而闻名。</p><p>1947年，贝尔实验室发明晶体管</p><p>“最让我兴奋的事情，就是和比我聪明的人共事，因为这会放大你的能力。”LeCun在2023年杂志采访时说道。</p><p>在贝尔实验室，LeCun曾参与开发手写识别技术，这项技术后来被广泛应用于银行自动读取支票。他还参与了一个项目，致力于将纸质文档数字化并通过互联网分发。</p><p>LeCun曾表示，自己从小就对物理感兴趣，在贝尔实验室期间也主要和物理学家合作，看了不少物理教材。</p><p>我学到了很多表面上与AI或计算机科学无关的东西（我本科是电气工程，计算机方面的正规训练其实很少）。</p><p>2003年，LeCun开始在纽约大学教授计算机科学，后来成为该校数据科学中心的创始主任。</p><p>2013年，扎克伯格亲自邀请他加入<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/META\">Facebook</a>（当时还未更名为Meta），组建全新的AI实验室。</p><p>他领导这个团队四年，2018年卸任，转为公司首席AI科学家，以“个人研究员”身份继续探索技术前沿。</p><p>2018年，他与Geoffrey Hinton和Yoshua Bengio共同获得图灵奖——计算机界的最高荣誉，以表彰三人在神经网络方面的奠基性工作。</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/09D6644675C1986FC32304EA2ECFADE129E6A8A3_size83_w1080_h608.jpg\"/></p><p>自那之后，LeCun就逐渐转为“象征性人物”角色。他没有参与Meta首个开源大语言模型Llama的研发，也早就不再参与这类项目的日常工作。</p><p>据与他共事的人透露，LeCun现在主要在做自己的研究项目，也经常出席各种技术会议，发表对AI技术的看法。</p><p>面对媒体的报道，Yann LeCun只是指出了报道中的“小错误”，并没有否认即将离职的消息。</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/FAA6081315B65652272BA9584C773B1C83E14F6E_size429_w1080_h942.png\"/></p><p>他知道自己在包括Meta在内的整个硅谷技术圈内，备受冷落。上个月在MIT的一次研讨会上，65岁的LeCun直言：</p><p>这些年，我在硅谷、包括Meta的很多角落都不太受欢迎，因为我一直在说，3到5年内，世界模型将成为主流AI架构，没人再会愿意用现在这种LLM。</p><p>但他坚信自己对AI未来的判断。他的老朋友Léon Bottou曾告诉媒体，LeCun“倔强得可爱”——他会听别人意见，但更有自己坚守的信念。</p><p>现在，LeCun在Meta好像“忍无可忍”，终于要离职了。</p><p>实际上，他早已多次暗示答案。</p><p>在通往通用人工智能的道路上，LeCun近来以其对大语言模型的尖锐批评而闻名。</p><p>他认为，无论科技巨头如何扩大其规模，我们目前所理解的大语言模型都已是“强弩之末”，是一条“岔路、干扰，一条死胡同”。</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/2EC3C9ACE52BE9259EFAD471D6465B9149B16EA8_size748_w1080_h608.png\"/></p><p>他投身AI研究已有40年，对AI的判断屡屡应验。如今，他认为大多数人都错了。</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/B448D064609E4F6D631150F6AAEECE9F083E5CFC_size254_w1080_h423.png\"/></p><p>他为现代AI奠定了诸多基础。而现在他坚信，领域内的大多数人都被大语言模型的“海妖之歌”引入了歧途。</p><p>这为他的离职提供了更多可能的解释。</p><p><img 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src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/33B51034C7EE219E640017371643222B1ED8069F_size92_w612_h590.jpg\"/></p><p>由此构建出的“世界模型”能呈现行动带来的影响，所有潜在变化都会实时更新至系统记忆。</p><p><strong><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/EA67F8318234F4BA42DD687A2695DE1D0AA7B3C8_size3_w292_h73.png\"/></strong></p><p><strong>他为何对世界模型如此沉迷？</strong></p><p>在年初的“巴黎AI峰会”上，Yann LeCun明确指出，他是可穿戴设备的坚定信徒。</p><p>他认为，未来，我们需要与可穿戴设备互动，就像与人交流一样，而大语言模型根本不像人类那样理解世界。</p><p>对于大语言模型，我们甚至无法复制猫或老鼠的智能，更不用说狗了。</p><p>这些动物能完成惊人的壮举，它们理解物理世界。任何一只家猫都能规划出极其复杂的行动，<strong>因为它们拥有关于世界的因果模型</strong>。</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/60B1A2297A4890E473BD69CE9D9C9045380C1A21_size347_w1080_h508.png\"/></p><p>为了说明这一点，LeCun设计了一个<strong>思想实验</strong>：“想象一个立方体悬浮在你面前的空中。好，现在让这个立方体绕着垂直轴旋转90度。它会是什么样子？”</p><p>他认为任何人类都能轻松完成，而大语言模型却无能为力：</p><p>“对人来说，在脑海中构建一个旋转立方体的心理模型，非常容易。”</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/99ACBB5B2E39B6F9C017055D1E9CD91BCA531AE5_size452_w1080_h724.png\"/></p><p>当然，大语言模型可以毫不费力地写一首关于悬浮旋转立方体的打油诗，<strong>但它无法真正帮助你与这个立方体互动。</strong></p><p><strong>LeCun断言，这是因为文本数据与处理非文本世界所获得的数据之间存在本质差异。</strong></p><p>他指出，尽管大语言模型训练所用的文本量需要一个人花45万年才能读完，但一个四岁的孩子在醒着的16000小时里，通过眼睛看、用手触摸，已经处理了高达1.4x10^14字节的关于世界的感觉数据——</p><p>他认为这比大语言模型处理的数据还要多。</p><p>顺便一提，这些只是LeCun在演讲中给出的估算，他在其他场合也给过不同的数字。但这些数字指向的核心观点是：<strong>大语言模型存在着局限，而LeCun相信世界模型能够克服这些局限。</strong></p><p><strong><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/EA67F8318234F4BA42DD687A2695DE1D0AA7B3C8_size3_w292_h73.png\"/></strong></p><p><strong>他又将如何构建世界模型？</strong></p><p>在Meta时，LeCun其实已经开始研究世界模型——他还拍了一个介绍视频，开头就让你想象一个旋转的立方体。</p><p>在AI行动峰会的演讲中，他<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/LI\">理想</a>中的模型包含一个对“当前世界状态的估计”，以某种抽象形式呈现与当前情境相关的一切。它不再是按顺序预测token，而是“预测在你采取一系列行动后，世界将达到的最终状态”。</p><p>他表示，世界模型将使未来的计算机科学家能够构建出“可以规划行动——可能是分层级的——以实现某个目标的系统，以及能够进行推理的系统。”</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_47/91E70EFF149E4F3F202C2A471EF7B8FD7BA72C5E_size592_w1080_h611.png\"/></p><p>LeCun还坚称，这类系统将拥有更强大的安全特性，因为控制它们的方式是内置的，而不是像现在这样，面对一个神秘莫测、只会输出文本的黑箱，只能通过微调来加以修正。</p><p>LeCun所说的经典AI——例如搜索引擎中使用的软件——所有问题都可以归结为优化问题。</p><p>他提出，他的世界模型将审视当前的世界状态，并通过寻找高效的解决方案，来寻求与某个不同状态的兼容性。</p><p>LeCun在演讲中解释道：“你需要一个能量函数来衡量不兼容性，给定一个x，找到一个对于该x能量较低的y”。</p><p>如果说，我们从LeCun的公开言论中拼凑出的“真相”很粗糙、有些模糊，甚至完全错误，那也完全正常。</p><p>LeCun似乎正在构想一个“登月计划”——</p><p>他希望推动AI领域迎来又一次类似ChatGPT那样的、诞生惊人能力的爆发式发展。</p><p>但这可能需要耗费数年——甚至永远无法实现——更不用说数十亿美元的投资了，才可能看到任何真正了不起的成果。</p></body></html>","source":"fenghuang_stock","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>图灵奖得主LeCun最后警告Meta！我搞了40年AI，大模型是死路</title>\n<style 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Zhao），职位也在LeCun之上。在官方公告中，Meta盛赞了赵晟佳在scaling方面带来的“突破”。而LeCun恰恰对scaling失去了信心。他还告诫博士生：“不要做LLM”。如果你好奇为什么LeCun和Zhao都是首席科学家，那是因为Meta的AI部门组织架构相当奇特，分成了多个独立的团队。媒体不断有消息放出，Meta要对其AI组织结构动刀。上个月，Meta超级AI实验室裁掉了数百人，包括10年老将田渊栋。据称，这是为了理顺这种混乱的局面。这已经是Meta在半年之内第四次调整AI业务了。而那支曾由LeCun领导、风头一时无两的FAIR，如今早已风光不再。据现任与前员工透露，这个部门经历了裁员、预算缩水，内部影响力也明显下降。曾几何时，FAIR是Meta内部思想最活跃的“象牙塔”，研究人员可以探讨各种AI未来路径，甚至可以做些“未必能成”的实验，完全不用担心产品化问题。而现在，Meta新组建的AI研究部门招来一大批高薪新兵，由Wang主导，目标明确：要快、要落地、要产品化。在AI上，他领先了40年LeCun一向走在时代前沿——早在“机器学习”还不被主流认可时，他就开始研究这个方向。他曾在多伦多的Geoffrey Hinton实验室工作，那时Hinton还没成为AI传奇人物。之后，他的职业生涯大多时间都在新泽西州的贝尔实验室度过，这家机构因诞生众多创新发明而闻名。1947年，贝尔实验室发明晶体管“最让我兴奋的事情，就是和比我聪明的人共事，因为这会放大你的能力。”LeCun在2023年杂志采访时说道。在贝尔实验室，LeCun曾参与开发手写识别技术，这项技术后来被广泛应用于银行自动读取支票。他还参与了一个项目，致力于将纸质文档数字化并通过互联网分发。LeCun曾表示，自己从小就对物理感兴趣，在贝尔实验室期间也主要和物理学家合作，看了不少物理教材。我学到了很多表面上与AI或计算机科学无关的东西（我本科是电气工程，计算机方面的正规训练其实很少）。2003年，LeCun开始在纽约大学教授计算机科学，后来成为该校数据科学中心的创始主任。2013年，扎克伯格亲自邀请他加入Facebook（当时还未更名为Meta），组建全新的AI实验室。他领导这个团队四年，2018年卸任，转为公司首席AI科学家，以“个人研究员”身份继续探索技术前沿。2018年，他与Geoffrey Hinton和Yoshua Bengio共同获得图灵奖——计算机界的最高荣誉，以表彰三人在神经网络方面的奠基性工作。自那之后，LeCun就逐渐转为“象征性人物”角色。他没有参与Meta首个开源大语言模型Llama的研发，也早就不再参与这类项目的日常工作。据与他共事的人透露，LeCun现在主要在做自己的研究项目，也经常出席各种技术会议，发表对AI技术的看法。面对媒体的报道，Yann LeCun只是指出了报道中的“小错误”，并没有否认即将离职的消息。他知道自己在包括Meta在内的整个硅谷技术圈内，备受冷落。上个月在MIT的一次研讨会上，65岁的LeCun直言：这些年，我在硅谷、包括Meta的很多角落都不太受欢迎，因为我一直在说，3到5年内，世界模型将成为主流AI架构，没人再会愿意用现在这种LLM。但他坚信自己对AI未来的判断。他的老朋友Léon 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src=\"https://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_png/dR7EpbvovdLpnkcwO2SlbEuMicbUvKD0H3ezZfxhQQbcicAxKRRnhBrPvBoTsXE6oOzecd2CerGPUkb22ypbKE6Q/640?wx_fmt=png&amp;from=appmsg\"/><img src=\"https://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_jpg/dR7EpbvovdL1dCEleVlqliaiafMCJJ7gf5W9micvoGodUycJF7R8ADrdm2nGwQyBYjPL0qpEuo2R7ibr7Vdj11tBgA/640?wx_fmt=jpeg&amp;from=appmsg\"/><p><strong>作者 | Bay Area Ideas</strong></p><p><strong>编译 | 华尔街大事件</strong></p><p><strong>自11月份以来，亚马逊公司 (NASDAQ: AMZN )已上涨近 10%。就基本面而言，最近的收益显示出弹性，<span>每股收益</span>强劲，但收入增长略低于预期。</strong>在他们的指引中，他们表明，<strong>预计收入增长将进一步放缓，预计 2025 年第一季度的<span>营业收入</span>增长也将大幅下降。</strong>在分析了相对于增长和行业的 P/S 和 P/E 比率后，分析师得出结论，该股目前被中度高估。由于技术面转为净看跌，且股价目前有点高估。</p><img src=\"https://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_png/dR7EpbvovdL1dCEleVlqliaiafMCJJ7gf5SeUUE7860JooH1I6c4LcrVH4SibeyqoicKvF0xdvONuL1bSURzo8OACg/640?wx_fmt=png&amp;from=appmsg\"/><p>亚马逊股价最近突破了自 10 月底开始的上涨趋势。这条<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/42T.SI\">趋势线</a>在多个场合都提供了非常强劲的支撑，因此这次<span>跌破</span>是一个重大事件。该股尚未形成明显的下跌趋势，因此这很可能意味着涨幅放缓或出现一些横向漂移。然而，展望未来，前一条上涨趋势线可能成为阻力。</p><p><strong>亚马逊有两个重要的近期<span>支撑位</span>。第一个支撑位在 220 左右，是 12 月中下旬的关键支撑位，应该是该股最近的支撑位。另一个支撑位在 210 左右，是 11 月的主要<span>阻力位</span>，但在 1 月是支撑位。</strong></p><p><strong>除了前一条上升趋势线外，目前股价上方还有另外两个阻力位。</strong>较近的一个阻力位在 230 点下方，是 12 月和几天前的阻力位，也是 1 月底的支撑位。另一个阻力位是成交量较大的重大下行缺口。股价可能难以突破该区域。</p><p>总体而言，这张图表对亚马逊来说是中性的。该股不再处于上升趋势，但这可能只是意味着涨幅可能已经下降。支撑和阻力也相当平衡，因为前一个上升趋势线的相关性将随着它继续向上倾斜而降低。</p><img src=\"https://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_png/dR7EpbvovdL1dCEleVlqliaiafMCJJ7gf5463H9mJpjrvb5r58GGPOhmIpxibnMr8xhrTgE7p7uhd36EjyEXj9iceQ/640?wx_fmt=png&amp;from=appmsg\"/><p>过去六个月中，50 日均线一直位于 200 日均线之上，表明该股长期看涨势头持续。<span>均线</span>之间的差距已大幅扩大，表明势头强劲。尽管股价跌破上升趋势线，但仍高于两条均线，目前似乎在 50 日均线处获得一些支撑。</p><p>目前，9 日 EMA 和 21 日 EMA 似乎处于同一水平，但鉴于 9 日 EMA 的负向轨迹非常明显，看跌交叉可能即将出现，反映出该股近期的疲软。该股目前的交易价格低于两条 EMA，但仍然相对接近，因此在看跌交叉后，EMA 之间的差距可能不会迅速扩大。</p><p><strong>该股最近跌破布林带中线，这是另一个疲软信号。</strong>这也证实了该股的上涨趋势可能已经结束。目前，布林带正处于波动性收缩阶段，因此即使该股从这里开始横向交易，也可能出现超卖。因此，近期可能会出现超卖反弹。</p><p>虽然 SMA 显示该股仍存在长期看涨势头，但亚马逊的短期走势可能令人担忧，因为 EMA 即将出现看跌交叉，而布林带明确证实上升趋势已经结束。</p><img src=\"https://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_png/dR7EpbvovdL1dCEleVlqliaiafMCJJ7gf59uiaeHzicDMTFog0v8t2soeFedCgticZT8IFh3PYibarEzA6zXlxbJl1rA/640?wx_fmt=png&amp;from=appmsg\"/><p>本月初，MACD 跌破信号线，发出看跌信号。线与线之间的差距也显著扩大，如看跌的直方图所示。这表明该股近期的看跌势头正在加速。本月初，MACD 在历史高点期间也出现了负向背离，因为 MACD 未能达到 12 月高点的最佳水平。</p><p>RSI 近期跌破 50 水平，目前读数为 47.46。这表明空头现在略微控制了该股。与 MACD 一样，RSI 也显示出历史高点的看跌背离，因为它也未能创下比 12 月高点更高的峰值。</p><p>从 1 月底到 2 月初，随机指标出现大量交叉，但最近终于出现了明显的看跌交叉，%K 跌破 %D，正好位于超买的 80 区域。交叉后，两条线均跌破 50 水平，表明空头占据主导地位。事实上，%K 线已跌至 20 区域，表明目前存在稳固的看跌控制。</p><p><strong>这些指标对亚马逊股票来说都是压倒性的看跌。</strong>MACD 显示近期看跌势头加速，RSI 跌破 50，随机指标 %K 显示该股极度疲软。从长期来看，MACD 和 RSI 均显示本月早些时候创下历史新高的看跌背离，因此即使是长期投资者也应对该股保持谨慎。</p><img src=\"https://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_png/dR7EpbvovdL1dCEleVlqliaiafMCJJ7gf5u6ibQeKGPGSKP6qfFCgicXmLEpdDIPXesNLUIZSloHROeCicd0ekZhTicw/640?wx_fmt=png&amp;from=appmsg\"/><p><strong>亚马逊本月初发布了2024 年第四季度的收益，整体业绩可观。</strong>他们报告称，营收为 1878 亿美元，同比增长 10%，摊薄后 GAAP 每股收益为 1.86 美元，高于去年同期的 1.00 美元。对于至关重要的 AWS 部门，营收同比增长 19% 至 288 亿美元，反映出业绩具有韧性但不出色。如上图所示，目前的收入增长大约在过去三年的平均水平，甚至可能略低于平均水平。自 2024 年初以来，收入增长似乎确实处于下降趋势，因此这可能有点令人担忧。就每股收益而言，第四季度的业绩是过去三年中最好的，并且延续了这一数字的上升趋势。与普遍预期相比，他们的表现也非常强劲，收入超出预期 5.6326 亿美元，每股收益超出预期 0.38 美元。</p><p>亚马逊在其收益报告中提供了 2025 年第一季度的指引。他们表示，<strong>预计第一季度的收入将在 1510 亿美元至 1555 亿美元之间，这反映了 5% 至 9% 的同比增长。</strong>因此，该指引意味着收入增长预计将进一步减速，并表明该数字的下降趋势将继续。然而，他们确实表示，该指引中包含了异常大的不利外汇影响，因此减速在一定程度上不受公司的控制。亚马逊还提供了第一季度 140 亿美元至 180 亿美元之间的营业收入指引，由于 2024 年第一季度营业收入为 153 亿美元，该指引意味着增长率在 -8.5% 至 17.6% 之间。第四季度营业收入为 212 亿美元，同比增长 60.6%，因此该指引也显示该数字的增长大幅减弱。总体而言，该指引较弱，因为预计收入增长将放缓，且营业收入增长也将大幅减弱。</p><img src=\"https://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_png/dR7EpbvovdL1dCEleVlqliaiafMCJJ7gf5oR7HTjGqIleqjNXx7ibyD0ufcFvq3FrUlzW6P2LRKFlJlcTzUrsjIdg/640?wx_fmt=png&amp;from=appmsg\"/><p><strong>目前的市销率远高于过去三年的平均水平</strong>，因为其 3.843 的读数较 2024 年初的 3.0 以下水平有大幅增长。我认为这一比率表明亚马逊股票被严重高估，因为它似乎与收入增长高度脱节。如上所述，目前，收入增长略低于平均水平，并处于令人担忧的下行趋势。此外，指引显示，2025 年第一季度的增长将进一步放缓，并将处于多年来的低点。这些不是你会与市销率大幅扩张联系起来的结果。因此，这个比率表明相对于基本面而言被严重高估。目前非必需消费品行业的平均市销率为0.99，虽然由于他们的 AWS 业务可能存在一些可比性问题，但该股仍比同行有大幅溢价，这也可能表明估值过高。</p><p>市盈率目前为 41.35，与市销率不同，截至目前，它实际上远低于平均水平。该比率始于 2024 年，远高于 50 的水平，因此自那时以来出现了显着的倍数收缩。这个比率显示了亚马逊股票更公平的估值。如上所述，每股收益目前处于强劲上升趋势，第四季度同比增长率高达 86%。在指引中，他们没有提供第一季度的每股收益预测，但从营业收入指引来看，可以推断，每股收益增长在第一季度也可能大幅放缓。即使是这样，我仍然预计每股收益增长总体上将处于弹性水平。因此，市盈率远低于平均水平可能表明亚马逊的每股收益增长存在一定程度的低估。该行业的平均市盈率目前为 19.97，由于亚马逊在云计算领域的主导地位值得大幅溢价，因此该数字可能再次存在一些可比性问题。尽管如此，与同行相比，亚马逊的估值可能被高估。</p><p><strong>亚马逊目前的估值适中。</strong>市销率与收入增长明显脱节，因为该比率有所扩大，但增长正在放缓，而且市盈率也远高于该行业。就市盈率而言，该比率表明，与历史每股收益数据相比，该股票实际上相当便宜，但该比率仍远高于其行业，因此，该比率总体上显示出公平估值。总的来说，这些比率反映了亚马逊股票的适度高估。</p><p>在上面的分析中，技术面已对亚马逊股票产生净看跌影响。虽然图表相对中性且 SMA 仍然强劲，但大多数迹象表明该股未来可能走弱。就基本面而言，收益具有弹性但总体上并不令人鼓舞，每股收益强劲，但收入增长处于可能令人担忧的下行趋势中。指引总体上看跌，因为对收入和营业收入的预测较弱。如上所述，P/S 和 P/E 倍数一起显示股票被适度高估。因此，由于技术和基本面相对不具吸引力，分析师将亚马逊的评级下调至卖出。</p><p>【如需和我们交流可后台回复“进群”加社群】</p><img src=\"https://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_jpg/dR7EpbvovdJlQNwm5fnHWnfblqB1P5B3gLTjg6j6dT5IyOFclcldYqPQickKMUqicdaXvibXdEb4OibV97CAwGO6TQ/640?wx_fmt=jpeg\"/><img src=\"https://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_png/dR7EpbvovdINMNSa4Col1mWNkYY9WyMrrJswRSEF8cpHQicJo4tfSTFa6Z3rAnT2PZrthVUrfLj18tAYRrVu6Wg/640?wx_fmt=png&amp;from=appmsg\"/><img 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日均线之上，表明该股长期看涨势头持续。均线之间的差距已大幅扩大，表明势头强劲。尽管股价跌破上升趋势线，但仍高于两条均线，目前似乎在 50 日均线处获得一些支撑。目前，9 日 EMA 和 21 日 EMA 似乎处于同一水平，但鉴于 9 日 EMA 的负向轨迹非常明显，看跌交叉可能即将出现，反映出该股近期的疲软。该股目前的交易价格低于两条 EMA，但仍然相对接近，因此在看跌交叉后，EMA 之间的差距可能不会迅速扩大。该股最近跌破布林带中线，这是另一个疲软信号。这也证实了该股的上涨趋势可能已经结束。目前，布林带正处于波动性收缩阶段，因此即使该股从这里开始横向交易，也可能出现超卖。因此，近期可能会出现超卖反弹。虽然 SMA 显示该股仍存在长期看涨势头，但亚马逊的短期走势可能令人担忧，因为 EMA 即将出现看跌交叉，而布林带明确证实上升趋势已经结束。本月初，MACD 跌破信号线，发出看跌信号。线与线之间的差距也显著扩大，如看跌的直方图所示。这表明该股近期的看跌势头正在加速。本月初，MACD 在历史高点期间也出现了负向背离，因为 MACD 未能达到 12 月高点的最佳水平。RSI 近期跌破 50 水平，目前读数为 47.46。这表明空头现在略微控制了该股。与 MACD 一样，RSI 也显示出历史高点的看跌背离，因为它也未能创下比 12 月高点更高的峰值。从 1 月底到 2 月初，随机指标出现大量交叉，但最近终于出现了明显的看跌交叉，%K 跌破 %D，正好位于超买的 80 区域。交叉后，两条线均跌破 50 水平，表明空头占据主导地位。事实上，%K 线已跌至 20 区域，表明目前存在稳固的看跌控制。这些指标对亚马逊股票来说都是压倒性的看跌。MACD 显示近期看跌势头加速，RSI 跌破 50，随机指标 %K 显示该股极度疲软。从长期来看，MACD 和 RSI 均显示本月早些时候创下历史新高的看跌背离，因此即使是长期投资者也应对该股保持谨慎。亚马逊本月初发布了2024 年第四季度的收益，整体业绩可观。他们报告称，营收为 1878 亿美元，同比增长 10%，摊薄后 GAAP 每股收益为 1.86 美元，高于去年同期的 1.00 美元。对于至关重要的 AWS 部门，营收同比增长 19% 至 288 亿美元，反映出业绩具有韧性但不出色。如上图所示，目前的收入增长大约在过去三年的平均水平，甚至可能略低于平均水平。自 2024 年初以来，收入增长似乎确实处于下降趋势，因此这可能有点令人担忧。就每股收益而言，第四季度的业绩是过去三年中最好的，并且延续了这一数字的上升趋势。与普遍预期相比，他们的表现也非常强劲，收入超出预期 5.6326 亿美元，每股收益超出预期 0.38 美元。亚马逊在其收益报告中提供了 2025 年第一季度的指引。他们表示，预计第一季度的收入将在 1510 亿美元至 1555 亿美元之间，这反映了 5% 至 9% 的同比增长。因此，该指引意味着收入增长预计将进一步减速，并表明该数字的下降趋势将继续。然而，他们确实表示，该指引中包含了异常大的不利外汇影响，因此减速在一定程度上不受公司的控制。亚马逊还提供了第一季度 140 亿美元至 180 亿美元之间的营业收入指引，由于 2024 年第一季度营业收入为 153 亿美元，该指引意味着增长率在 -8.5% 至 17.6% 之间。第四季度营业收入为 212 亿美元，同比增长 60.6%，因此该指引也显示该数字的增长大幅减弱。总体而言，该指引较弱，因为预计收入增长将放缓，且营业收入增长也将大幅减弱。目前的市销率远高于过去三年的平均水平，因为其 3.843 的读数较 2024 年初的 3.0 以下水平有大幅增长。我认为这一比率表明亚马逊股票被严重高估，因为它似乎与收入增长高度脱节。如上所述，目前，收入增长略低于平均水平，并处于令人担忧的下行趋势。此外，指引显示，2025 年第一季度的增长将进一步放缓，并将处于多年来的低点。这些不是你会与市销率大幅扩张联系起来的结果。因此，这个比率表明相对于基本面而言被严重高估。目前非必需消费品行业的平均市销率为0.99，虽然由于他们的 AWS 业务可能存在一些可比性问题，但该股仍比同行有大幅溢价，这也可能表明估值过高。市盈率目前为 41.35，与市销率不同，截至目前，它实际上远低于平均水平。该比率始于 2024 年，远高于 50 的水平，因此自那时以来出现了显着的倍数收缩。这个比率显示了亚马逊股票更公平的估值。如上所述，每股收益目前处于强劲上升趋势，第四季度同比增长率高达 86%。在指引中，他们没有提供第一季度的每股收益预测，但从营业收入指引来看，可以推断，每股收益增长在第一季度也可能大幅放缓。即使是这样，我仍然预计每股收益增长总体上将处于弹性水平。因此，市盈率远低于平均水平可能表明亚马逊的每股收益增长存在一定程度的低估。该行业的平均市盈率目前为 19.97，由于亚马逊在云计算领域的主导地位值得大幅溢价，因此该数字可能再次存在一些可比性问题。尽管如此，与同行相比，亚马逊的估值可能被高估。亚马逊目前的估值适中。市销率与收入增长明显脱节，因为该比率有所扩大，但增长正在放缓，而且市盈率也远高于该行业。就市盈率而言，该比率表明，与历史每股收益数据相比，该股票实际上相当便宜，但该比率仍远高于其行业，因此，该比率总体上显示出公平估值。总的来说，这些比率反映了亚马逊股票的适度高估。在上面的分析中，技术面已对亚马逊股票产生净看跌影响。虽然图表相对中性且 SMA 仍然强劲，但大多数迹象表明该股未来可能走弱。就基本面而言，收益具有弹性但总体上并不令人鼓舞，每股收益强劲，但收入增长处于可能令人担忧的下行趋势中。指引总体上看跌，因为对收入和营业收入的预测较弱。如上所述，P/S 和 P/E 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href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/JD\">京东</a>资产交易平台上进行。但，只要在省级国资监管机构公布的产权交易机构名单内，地方企业国有资产可以在阿里资产和京东资产交易平台上交易。</font></p><p cms-style=\"font-L\"><font cms-style=\"font-L strong-Bold\"><font cms-style=\"font-L strong-Bold underline color0\">案例一：</font></font><font cms-style=\"font-L strong-Bold underline color0\"></font></p><p cms-style=\"font-L\"><font cms-style=\"font-L strong-Bold underline color0\">2024年8 月 28 日，阿里资产平台与宣城市首个资产处置合作项目——宣城市消防救援支队报废车辆项目在阿里资产平台完成交易。该标的评估价为 1.39 万元，起始价1.39 万元，参拍需缴纳保证金为1000元，每次增价幅度为100元，为经过 395 轮激烈竞价，最终由济南祥润报废机动车回收有限公司以 5.63 万元竞得，溢价率达 305%。</font></p><p cms-style=\"font-L\"><font cms-style=\"font-L strong-Bold underline color0\">案例二：</font></p><p cms-style=\"font-L\"><font cms-style=\"font-L strong-Bold underline color0\">2016年，宁波市海曙区国有资产管理中心近日在<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/BABA\">阿里巴巴</a>的资产交易平台“闲鱼”上公开挂牌转让一批商业用房。类似拍卖已经进行了两轮，分别于2016年月31日和7月5日结束，挂牌标的分别为10套和20套商业用房。</font></p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">5.关于《企业国有资产交易监督管理办法》问题的咨询</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\"><font 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cms-style=\"font-L\">4.关于国有资产转让的产权交易机构问题的咨询</p><div><img cms-height=\"437.203\" cms-width=\"626\" src=\"http://n.sinaimg.cn/spider20250209/788/w935h653/20250209/3910-c217793cdf2fa13a71bcc2608f194bb4.png\"/><span></span></div><p cms-style=\"font-L\">5.关于《企业国有资产交易监督管理办法》问题的咨询</p><div><img cms-height=\"446.312\" cms-width=\"626\" src=\"http://n.sinaimg.cn/spider20250209/53/w965h688/20250209/178f-6c18cb2d10fc14c501e3740278509918.png\"/><span></span></div><div><img cms-height=\"276.484\" cms-width=\"626\" src=\"http://n.sinaimg.cn/spider20250209/757/w1080h477/20250209/e7e8-2e888ed238f0b348e8a4e3b782c54390.png\"/><span></span></div><p cms-style=\"font-L align-Center\"><font cms-style=\"font-L strong-Bold align-Center\">关于调整从事中央企业国有资产交易业务产权交易机构的通知</font></p><p cms-style=\"font-L align-Center\">国资厅产权〔2020〕333号</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\"><font cms-style=\"font-L strong-Bold\">各中央企业：</font></p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">为充分发挥市场配置资源作用，促进产权市场更好服务国有企业改革发展和结构调整，根据《企业国有资产交易监督管理办法》（国资委 财政部令第32号）等有关规定，我委定期对从事中央企业国有资产交易业务的产权交易机构进行调整。经组织相关部门和中央企业进行评审，现将新确定的中央企业资产交易业务产权交易机构名单通知如下：</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">一、从事中央企业权益类业务（产权转让、企业增资）机构名单</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\"><font cms-style=\"font-L\">1.</font><font cms-style=\"font-L\">北京产权交易所</font><font cms-style=\"font-L\">有限公司</font></p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">2.上海联合产权交易所有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">3.广东联合产权交易中心有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">4.山东产权交易中心有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">5.重庆联合产权交易所集团股份有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">二、从事中央企业实物资产转让业务机构名单</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">1.北京产权交易所有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\"><font cms-style=\"font-L\">2.天津</font><font cms-style=\"font-L\">产权交易中心</font></p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">3.河北产权市场有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">4.山西省产权交易市场有限责任公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">5.内蒙古产权交易中心有限责任公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">6.沈阳联合产权交易所有限责任公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">7.吉林长春产权交易中心（集团）有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">8.黑龙江联合产权交易所有限责任公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">9.上海联合产权交易所有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">10.江苏省产权交易所有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">11.浙江产权交易所有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">12.安徽省产权交易中心有限责任公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">13.福建省产权交易中心</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">14.江西省产权交易所</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">15.山东产权交易中心有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">16.河南中原产权交易有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">17.武汉光谷联合产权交易所有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">18.湖南省联合产权交易所有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">19.广东联合产权交易中心有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">20.北部湾产权交易所集团股份有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">21.海南产权交易所有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">22.重庆联合产权交易所集团股份有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">23.西南联合产权交易所有限责任公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">24.贵州阳光产权交易所有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">25.云南产权交易所有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">26.西藏产权交易中心有限责任公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">27.西部产权交易所有限责任公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">28.甘肃省产权交易所股份有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\"><font cms-style=\"font-L\">29.青海省</font><font cms-style=\"font-L\">产权交易市场</font></p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">30.宁夏科技资源与产权交易所（有限公司）</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">31.新疆产权交易所有限责任公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">32.青岛产权交易所</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">33.宁波产权交易中心有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">34.厦门产权交易中心有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">35.大连产权交易所（有限责任公司）</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">36.深圳联合产权交易所股份有限公司</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">三、其他事项</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">自2021年1月1日起，请各中央企业分别选择上述机构开展权益类和实物资产类交易业务。已在产权交易机构进行预挂牌、正式挂牌的项目，可继续在原交易机构进行。</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">请各中央企业及时将资产交易中遇到的问题向国资委产权管理局反映</p><p cms-style=\"font-L\">联系人及电话：国资委产权管理局 张良、刘颖（010）63193538、63193273</p><p cms-style=\"font-L align-right\">国资委办公厅</p><p cms-style=\"font-L align-right\">2020年12月27日</p><p>（转自：不良资产行业观研）</p>\n<div>\n<div><img src=\"\"/></div>\n<div>海量资讯、精准解读，尽在新浪财经APP</div>\n</div>\n</div></body></html>","source":"sina","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" 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Sands（LVS），其2024年股价上涨了约5%，远低于大盘。富国银行分析师Dan Politzer认为，支持其每股60美元目标价的正面因素包括中国近期推出的一系列旨在提振经济的刺激措施，以及管理层对其澳门伦敦人项目的约25.5亿美元投资回报的信心。这些因素，加上盈利势头的改善，可能使Las Vegas Sands成为一个“独特的自救故事以及澳门/中国的宏观主题。”Politzer补充道：“我们认为LVS正走向盈利增长，并且是2025年的一个引人注目的投资机会。其施工干扰已经达到顶峰，有望在2025年逐季恢复总博彩收入份额并增加EBITDA。”富国银行还密切关注保险服务公司Willis Towers Watson（WTW）。该公司2024年股价上涨了23%。富国银行分析师Elyse Greenspan预计，改善的有机收入增长、自由现金流转换和利润率增加将推动其股价上涨。Greenspan还指出，Willis 12月的投资者日可能成为股价的潜在刺激因素，届时预计公司将进一步披露其长期增长目标\n\n\r\n            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justify;\">郭明錤还称：</p><blockquote><p>为了在即将到来的 AI 时代蓬勃发展，高通的最佳策略是从 AI 智能手机芯片中快速产生现金流，同时扩大其在该领域的主导地位。该公司还应推动 AI PC 芯片的发展，建立涵盖智能手机和个人电脑的强大的设备端 AI 生态系统。此外，高通还需要通过战略投资和收购来迅速增强其服务器 AI 芯片能力。</p><p><strong>英特尔在传统服务器市场的强势地位对高通的吸引力有限</strong>。AI 服务器是服务器市场的未来之星，这也是英特尔目前的弱项。</p><p>高通拥有约 130 亿美元的现金、现金等价物和有价证券，市值约 1900 亿美元。即使忽略收购溢价、相关成本、债务假设、后续管理费用等，<strong>仅英特尔约 930 亿美元的市值就足以给高通带来巨大的财务压力</strong>。这将立即对盈利能力产生负面影响，可能使净利润率从目前的 20% 以上降至个位数甚至亏损（其中代工业务是最严重的拖累）。</p><p>高通最新季度资本支出约为 3.9 亿美元。使用英特尔收购专用资金（预计需要超过 1000 亿美元）来增加资本支出以追求 AI PC 和 AI 服务器的增长，风险会更小，管理效率也会更高。</p><p>考虑到在各国可能面临的反垄断调查，<strong>此次收购很难在短期内完成</strong>。即使高通为降低并购带来的财务与管理压力而出售部分英特尔资产，这也非一时三刻可以拍板定案。而上述不确定性在此并购进行中时，很不利于高通的股价交易情绪。</p><p>出于这些考虑，高通收购英特尔的动机并不强烈。如果这次收购成功，对高通来说可能是灾难性的。据我的调查和了解，高通在内部讨论中也表达了对收购英特尔的保守态度。这证实了我听到的一个谣言：<strong>高通是因为某“外力不可抗拒因素”的压力，才去谨慎并被动评估并购英特尔的可行性</strong>。</p></blockquote><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">郭明錤认为，目前高通最关键的重点应该是建立 AI 芯片的竞争力：</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p style=\"padding-left: 20px;\">1、设备端 AI 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就高通寻求收购英特尔的传言发表观点称：“我的行业调查还表明，高通目前正在与英特尔进行收购谈判。<strong>然而，如果这次收购发生，对高通来说可能是一场灾难</strong>。”</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a60c7b389b04d4c5b5f848eb1dcdd40f\" tg-width=\"743\" tg-height=\"512\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">郭明錤表示，并购英特尔仅对高通的 AI PC 芯片业务有帮助，但从微软对 WoA 的承诺（其最新 Surface 机型都采用高通处理器 / ARM 架构），<strong>高通在 PC 市场的增长只是早晚问题</strong>。虽然收购英特尔可以迅速增加高通的个人电脑市场份额，但它的成本也很高。即使没有收购，高通也能在 AI PC 市场实现增长。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">郭明錤还称：</p><blockquote><p>为了在即将到来的 AI 时代蓬勃发展，高通的最佳策略是从 AI 智能手机芯片中快速产生现金流，同时扩大其在该领域的主导地位。该公司还应推动 AI PC 芯片的发展，建立涵盖智能手机和个人电脑的强大的设备端 AI 生态系统。此外，高通还需要通过战略投资和收购来迅速增强其服务器 AI 芯片能力。</p><p><strong>英特尔在传统服务器市场的强势地位对高通的吸引力有限</strong>。AI 服务器是服务器市场的未来之星，这也是英特尔目前的弱项。</p><p>高通拥有约 130 亿美元的现金、现金等价物和有价证券，市值约 1900 亿美元。即使忽略收购溢价、相关成本、债务假设、后续管理费用等，<strong>仅英特尔约 930 亿美元的市值就足以给高通带来巨大的财务压力</strong>。这将立即对盈利能力产生负面影响，可能使净利润率从目前的 20% 以上降至个位数甚至亏损（其中代工业务是最严重的拖累）。</p><p>高通最新季度资本支出约为 3.9 亿美元。使用英特尔收购专用资金（预计需要超过 1000 亿美元）来增加资本支出以追求 AI PC 和 AI 服务器的增长，风险会更小，管理效率也会更高。</p><p>考虑到在各国可能面临的反垄断调查，<strong>此次收购很难在短期内完成</strong>。即使高通为降低并购带来的财务与管理压力而出售部分英特尔资产，这也非一时三刻可以拍板定案。而上述不确定性在此并购进行中时，很不利于高通的股价交易情绪。</p><p>出于这些考虑，高通收购英特尔的动机并不强烈。如果这次收购成功，对高通来说可能是灾难性的。据我的调查和了解，高通在内部讨论中也表达了对收购英特尔的保守态度。这证实了我听到的一个谣言：<strong>高通是因为某“外力不可抗拒因素”的压力，才去谨慎并被动评估并购英特尔的可行性</strong>。</p></blockquote><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">郭明錤认为，目前高通最关键的重点应该是建立 AI 芯片的竞争力：</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p style=\"padding-left: 20px;\">1、设备端 AI 智能手机芯片：高通在该市场拥有明显优势，是苹果最大的竞争对手。</p></li><li><p style=\"padding-left: 20px;\">2、设备端 AI PC 芯片：随着 Windows on ARM（WoA）的逐步优化，高通的优势将更加明显。</p></li><li><p style=\"padding-left: 20px;\">3、AI 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href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/BABA\">阿里巴巴</a>整个集团董事长兼CEO的位置，并非是靠运气得来的，而是靠着自己一路厮杀所展现出来的能力。他还是“双十一”这个伟大狂欢购物节的缔造者，帮助阿里巴巴成功的实现了从PC端到移动互联网的变迁。</span></p><p><span>其二，马云识人的本事，放眼整个互联网，有几人能说自己比马云厉害？既然当初决定把整个阿里巴巴集团都交给张勇来打理，马云也是经过足够的深思熟虑后才做的决定，同时也说明了马云对张勇能力的充分认可！</span></p><p><span>既然张勇并非无能之辈，又是有功之臣，那把淘宝的落寞归因于张勇的管理失策，又是否妥当呢？</span></p><p><span>很明显，不妥当。</span></p><p><span><strong>有人将淘宝的落寞归因于下沉市场的失败</strong></span></p><p><span>一直主打下沉市场的拼多多，这几年发展确实很猛，尤其是今天拼多多的市值已经超越阿里巴巴，这让很多人都说淘宝因为下沉市场的失利，所以输给了拼多多。</span></p><p><span>事实上并非如此。</span></p><p><span>淘宝很早就有布局下沉市场，甚至早于拼多多，10年前淘宝村也曾风靡一时。2014 年，阿里提出“千县万村”计划，要在3-5年间投资100亿元、建立1000个县级运营中心和10万个村级服务站。</span></p><p><span>可以说，淘宝对于下沉市场的重视和投入不弱于任何一个电商平台，包括拼多多和<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/JD\">京东</a>。</span></p><p><span>当初的淘宝，不论是下沉市场和农村市场的商家还是用户规模，淘宝也是强于其他任何一个电商平台。</span></p><p><span>然而，淘宝在下沉市场确实失利了，但要将淘宝落寞的核心原因归因于下沉市场的失败，同样也是站不住脚的。</span></p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2c448de5e6b646d6b1acd2c08257ac03\"/></p><p><span><strong>有人将淘宝的落寞归因于内容电商的失落</strong></span></p><p><span>抖音、快手、小红书借助内容电商崛起，确实对整个电商格局产生了非常大的影响，尤其是今天的抖音，已经成长为中国电商的第四极。</span></p><p><span>事实上，淘宝在短视频、直播等内容电商的布局和投入，同样不弱于任何一家电商平台和任何一家短视频直播平台。</span></p><p><span>早在2016年4月，时任阿里CEO的张勇就将社区化、内容化定为淘宝未来的方向。之后，淘宝上线了直播频道、淘宝头条、问大家和淘宝社区等一些列内容专区。与此同时，淘宝也开始全面打造短视频，开始打造自己的短视频APP。</span></p><p><span>在直播方面的布局，淘宝就更早了。而最早在电商直播做出成果的当属淘宝直播了，薇娅、李佳琦等一众头部主播都诞生于淘宝直播。此后，才有了抖音电商直播、快手电商直播对淘宝直播的效仿。</span></p><p><span>今天的淘宝，在内容电商的投资和布局依然不弱于任何一家电商平台，淘宝并没有在内容电商败给其他电商平台。甚至可以这么说，淘宝电商直播比除抖音直播之外的所有电商直播都要做得好。</span></p><p><span><strong>淘宝，只是败给了时代</strong></span></p><p><span>正如那句名言：只有时代的马云，没有马云的时代。</span></p><p><strong><span>同样，也只有时代的淘宝，没有淘宝的时代。</span></strong></p><p><span>淘宝当初的崛起，恰恰是时代造就的产物，当初国内电商还是一片空白，淘宝凭借着对中国市场和商家更为熟悉，战胜了当时全球最大的电商网站<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/EBAY\">eBay</a>。</span></p><p><span>下沉市场的失利，只是因为淘宝不小心赶上了消费降级，拼多多的强势崛起同样也受益于消费降级这个大时代。谁也不曾预料到，今天的消费降级来得如此快，来得如此迅猛。</span></p><p><span>张勇当初对于中国经济未来的判断，一直都是消费升级，我相信马云先生当初也是如此判断的，谁也没想到消费降级这个意外来得如此快。</span></p><p><span>抖音、快手等内容电商平台的兴起，同样也是赶上了短视频直播这个风口。疫情三年，让越来越多人开始沉迷于短视频，痴迷于直播。抖音、快手天生因为内容对于用户的吸引，借助足够的用户时长，从而让越来越多用户在平台上逐步养成了消费习惯。</span></p><p><span>但是淘宝、京东、拼多多等电商平台，因为电商的基因，却很难通过培养用户的内容兴趣，再去吸引用户消费。电商平台的基因也注定了，它们的短视频和直播也基本都是围绕着电商。</span></p><p><span>短视频直播这个内容风口，就注定了抖音、快手、视频号的内容电商时代，这是谁也难以阻挡的电商趋势。</span></p><p><strong><span>所以，今天淘宝的落寞，只是败给了时代。至于下一个电商时代，谁能把握？我想谁也给不了答案。</span></strong></p><p><em><span>文/刘旷公众号，ID：liukuang110，配图来自Canva可画</span></em></p></div></body></html>","source":"weixin_highlight","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta 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08:48</p>\n</div>\n\n</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><body><div><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0ec60f2c377846a3945cee99c97ed44f\"/></p><p><span>今天的淘宝，看山不是山，看水不是水，境遇已大不相同。</span></p><p><span><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GS\">高盛</a>报告显示，淘宝天猫的市场份额从2019年的66%，下降至2022年的44%左右，四年降幅1/3。2024年淘宝的市场份额还剩多少，很难说清楚，但是这两年，<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/PDD\">拼多多</a>和抖音的势头是越来越猛了，还有视频号、小红书、快手等一众内容平台在抢夺电商这块蛋糕。</span></p><p><span><strong>有人将淘宝的落寞归因于管理者的失策</strong></span></p><p><span>张勇毫无疑问成为了最大的买单者，毕竟事情没做好，最终总是需要人来承担。但是真的只是张勇的管理失策吗？如果要论管理者失策，难道马云没有责任？蔡崇信没有责任？</span></p><p><span>成者王侯败者寇，这话确实不假，但是要把事情的责任全部都推到人的身上，并不完全合乎情理，更何况张勇并非无能之辈。</span></p><p><span>其一，张勇能做到<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/BABA\">阿里巴巴</a>整个集团董事长兼CEO的位置，并非是靠运气得来的，而是靠着自己一路厮杀所展现出来的能力。他还是“双十一”这个伟大狂欢购物节的缔造者，帮助阿里巴巴成功的实现了从PC端到移动互联网的变迁。</span></p><p><span>其二，马云识人的本事，放眼整个互联网，有几人能说自己比马云厉害？既然当初决定把整个阿里巴巴集团都交给张勇来打理，马云也是经过足够的深思熟虑后才做的决定，同时也说明了马云对张勇能力的充分认可！</span></p><p><span>既然张勇并非无能之辈，又是有功之臣，那把淘宝的落寞归因于张勇的管理失策，又是否妥当呢？</span></p><p><span>很明显，不妥当。</span></p><p><span><strong>有人将淘宝的落寞归因于下沉市场的失败</strong></span></p><p><span>一直主打下沉市场的拼多多，这几年发展确实很猛，尤其是今天拼多多的市值已经超越阿里巴巴，这让很多人都说淘宝因为下沉市场的失利，所以输给了拼多多。</span></p><p><span>事实上并非如此。</span></p><p><span>淘宝很早就有布局下沉市场，甚至早于拼多多，10年前淘宝村也曾风靡一时。2014 年，阿里提出“千县万村”计划，要在3-5年间投资100亿元、建立1000个县级运营中心和10万个村级服务站。</span></p><p><span>可以说，淘宝对于下沉市场的重视和投入不弱于任何一个电商平台，包括拼多多和<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/JD\">京东</a>。</span></p><p><span>当初的淘宝，不论是下沉市场和农村市场的商家还是用户规模，淘宝也是强于其他任何一个电商平台。</span></p><p><span>然而，淘宝在下沉市场确实失利了，但要将淘宝落寞的核心原因归因于下沉市场的失败，同样也是站不住脚的。</span></p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2c448de5e6b646d6b1acd2c08257ac03\"/></p><p><span><strong>有人将淘宝的落寞归因于内容电商的失落</strong></span></p><p><span>抖音、快手、小红书借助内容电商崛起，确实对整个电商格局产生了非常大的影响，尤其是今天的抖音，已经成长为中国电商的第四极。</span></p><p><span>事实上，淘宝在短视频、直播等内容电商的布局和投入，同样不弱于任何一家电商平台和任何一家短视频直播平台。</span></p><p><span>早在2016年4月，时任阿里CEO的张勇就将社区化、内容化定为淘宝未来的方向。之后，淘宝上线了直播频道、淘宝头条、问大家和淘宝社区等一些列内容专区。与此同时，淘宝也开始全面打造短视频，开始打造自己的短视频APP。</span></p><p><span>在直播方面的布局，淘宝就更早了。而最早在电商直播做出成果的当属淘宝直播了，薇娅、李佳琦等一众头部主播都诞生于淘宝直播。此后，才有了抖音电商直播、快手电商直播对淘宝直播的效仿。</span></p><p><span>今天的淘宝，在内容电商的投资和布局依然不弱于任何一家电商平台，淘宝并没有在内容电商败给其他电商平台。甚至可以这么说，淘宝电商直播比除抖音直播之外的所有电商直播都要做得好。</span></p><p><span><strong>淘宝，只是败给了时代</strong></span></p><p><span>正如那句名言：只有时代的马云，没有马云的时代。</span></p><p><strong><span>同样，也只有时代的淘宝，没有淘宝的时代。</span></strong></p><p><span>淘宝当初的崛起，恰恰是时代造就的产物，当初国内电商还是一片空白，淘宝凭借着对中国市场和商家更为熟悉，战胜了当时全球最大的电商网站<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/EBAY\">eBay</a>。</span></p><p><span>下沉市场的失利，只是因为淘宝不小心赶上了消费降级，拼多多的强势崛起同样也受益于消费降级这个大时代。谁也不曾预料到，今天的消费降级来得如此快，来得如此迅猛。</span></p><p><span>张勇当初对于中国经济未来的判断，一直都是消费升级，我相信马云先生当初也是如此判断的，谁也没想到消费降级这个意外来得如此快。</span></p><p><span>抖音、快手等内容电商平台的兴起，同样也是赶上了短视频直播这个风口。疫情三年，让越来越多人开始沉迷于短视频，痴迷于直播。抖音、快手天生因为内容对于用户的吸引，借助足够的用户时长，从而让越来越多用户在平台上逐步养成了消费习惯。</span></p><p><span>但是淘宝、京东、拼多多等电商平台，因为电商的基因，却很难通过培养用户的内容兴趣，再去吸引用户消费。电商平台的基因也注定了，它们的短视频和直播也基本都是围绕着电商。</span></p><p><span>短视频直播这个内容风口，就注定了抖音、快手、视频号的内容电商时代，这是谁也难以阻挡的电商趋势。</span></p><p><strong><span>所以，今天淘宝的落寞，只是败给了时代。至于下一个电商时代，谁能把握？我想谁也给不了答案。</span></strong></p><p><em><span>文/刘旷公众号，ID：liukuang110，配图来自Canva可画</span></em></p></div></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"89988":"阿里巴巴-WR","LU1046421795.USD":"富达环球科技A-ACC","LU0228367735.SGD":"Eastspring Investments - Asian Equity Fund AS SGD","BK4502":"阿里概念","LU0128525689.USD":"TEMPLETON GLOBAL BALANCED \"A\"(USD) 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年，阿里提出“千县万村”计划，要在3-5年间投资100亿元、建立1000个县级运营中心和10万个村级服务站。可以说，淘宝对于下沉市场的重视和投入不弱于任何一个电商平台，包括拼多多和京东。当初的淘宝，不论是下沉市场和农村市场的商家还是用户规模，淘宝也是强于其他任何一个电商平台。然而，淘宝在下沉市场确实失利了，但要将淘宝落寞的核心原因归因于下沉市场的失败，同样也是站不住脚的。有人将淘宝的落寞归因于内容电商的失落抖音、快手、小红书借助内容电商崛起，确实对整个电商格局产生了非常大的影响，尤其是今天的抖音，已经成长为中国电商的第四极。事实上，淘宝在短视频、直播等内容电商的布局和投入，同样不弱于任何一家电商平台和任何一家短视频直播平台。早在2016年4月，时任阿里CEO的张勇就将社区化、内容化定为淘宝未来的方向。之后，淘宝上线了直播频道、淘宝头条、问大家和淘宝社区等一些列内容专区。与此同时，淘宝也开始全面打造短视频，开始打造自己的短视频APP。在直播方面的布局，淘宝就更早了。而最早在电商直播做出成果的当属淘宝直播了，薇娅、李佳琦等一众头部主播都诞生于淘宝直播。此后，才有了抖音电商直播、快手电商直播对淘宝直播的效仿。今天的淘宝，在内容电商的投资和布局依然不弱于任何一家电商平台，淘宝并没有在内容电商败给其他电商平台。甚至可以这么说，淘宝电商直播比除抖音直播之外的所有电商直播都要做得好。淘宝，只是败给了时代正如那句名言：只有时代的马云，没有马云的时代。同样，也只有时代的淘宝，没有淘宝的时代。淘宝当初的崛起，恰恰是时代造就的产物，当初国内电商还是一片空白，淘宝凭借着对中国市场和商家更为熟悉，战胜了当时全球最大的电商网站eBay。下沉市场的失利，只是因为淘宝不小心赶上了消费降级，拼多多的强势崛起同样也受益于消费降级这个大时代。谁也不曾预料到，今天的消费降级来得如此快，来得如此迅猛。张勇当初对于中国经济未来的判断，一直都是消费升级，我相信马云先生当初也是如此判断的，谁也没想到消费降级这个意外来得如此快。抖音、快手等内容电商平台的兴起，同样也是赶上了短视频直播这个风口。疫情三年，让越来越多人开始沉迷于短视频，痴迷于直播。抖音、快手天生因为内容对于用户的吸引，借助足够的用户时长，从而让越来越多用户在平台上逐步养成了消费习惯。但是淘宝、京东、拼多多等电商平台，因为电商的基因，却很难通过培养用户的内容兴趣，再去吸引用户消费。电商平台的基因也注定了，它们的短视频和直播也基本都是围绕着电商。短视频直播这个内容风口，就注定了抖音、快手、视频号的内容电商时代，这是谁也难以阻挡的电商趋势。所以，今天淘宝的落寞，只是败给了时代。至于下一个电商时代，谁能把握？我想谁也给不了答案。文/刘旷公众号，ID：liukuang110，配图来自Canva可画","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"89988":0.6,"BABA":0.9,"09988":1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1331,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0}],"lives":[]}