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04-12

$NVDA 20240412 855.0 CALL$ 英伟达的力量

04-24

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 这个时候不抄底，没下次机会

2023-06-12

$Faraday Future(FFIE)$ 他刚跌倒0.2，我就敢买两万股

06-03

$C3.ai, Inc.(AI)$ 至少回调百分之三十，三天破28，三天后回复

2023-09-26

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 就不信今晚它还能撑到绿，跌⬇️

2023-08-09

早崩早好，最好灰飞烟灭

李嘉诚之后，香港楼市再爆"深水炸弹"！内地也传重磅信息，五大启示力促市场企稳？

2023-05-12

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 今晚又割了多少韭菜，高位跑路[开心] [开心] [开心]

06-03

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 三天内破170，三天后回复结果

05-22

$(TSLA)$ 不要想什么，直接PUT，最后的挣扎

04-29

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ FSD大趋势，无法阻挡

05-22

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 现在特斯拉CALL的太多，PUT先把CALL的一锅端

2023-08-18

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 180的价格等着上车

2023-05-31

这意思就是拒绝发展，拒绝进步

“AI可能灭绝人类，堪比核战争！” 超350位大佬联名发声

06-03

事实是真的，但这个不会成为猛涨的导火索吧

特斯拉公布报告：起火风险仅为燃油车的八分之一

2023-07-12

$Faraday Future(FFIE)$ 高兴太早了，明天接着看结果

2023-05-17

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 特斯拉在一步一步下套，继续跌📉[开心] [开心] [开心] [开心] [开心]

05-23

这篇文章不错，转发给大家看看

@火火兔爸:$英伟达(NVDA)$ 多少人被吓跑了？

05-08

等你跌倒一分钱

04-29

小心虚晃一枪[开心]

特斯拉盘前涨幅扩大至10%，总市值增加近500亿美元

04-14

拿着资本扰乱市场，问题还敢跟特斯拉做对比还脸不红，堪比杨元庆叫马斯克做营销[开心] [开心] [开心] [开心] [开心]

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href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AAPL\">苹果</a>、<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/SMSN.UK\">三星</a>，产品自有其出色之处。雷军擅长营销，这是好事啊。中国多一点雷军那样的营销大师才好，把中国的品牌打响，怎么会有人不满意？</p><p><strong>5、订单7天可退，就是为了冲单。淘宝的老戏法了，雷军就是爱搞这些华而不实的东西。</strong></p><p>小米汽车网上销售，采用一些网上促销的手段不奇怪。你可以说这是骗流量、消费公众，也可以说这是精明的促销。只要合情合理合法，没什么不可以用的。小米这一招玩成了，说不定别的大厂也会跟进。华也可以实的。</p><p><strong>6、小米汽车都是北汽在做，小米贪天功为己有。</strong></p><p>小米汽车里有多少北汽成分，这要小米和北汽自己说才行。但北汽对小米没意见，你有什么好不满意的？北汽有无数机会推出自己的电车，北汽也确实做了，现在和小米合作，自有北汽的道理，旁人就不要没事瞎指责了。</p><p><strong>7、中国电车供应链高度发达，攒车就和<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/000931\">中关村</a>攒电脑一样，谁都能干，小米有啥好吹的。</strong></p><p>小米靠中国供应链才能成事不假，但说到谁都能攒，那你倒是攒一个出来啊。光说不练有啥好吹的？</p><p><strong>8、雷军自己开的车都后轮掉螺丝了，就这质量，也敢吹？</strong></p><p>已经澄清了，这是仪式现场临时装修的遗留物。轮毂螺丝要是掉下来，这是很低级的质量错误。还好，小米没有犯这样低级的错误。这不等于小米在设计、制造中不会犯低级错误，已经有人指出一些了，比如后备箱前壁毫无必要地靠前，后座倒是可以后退以增加一些腿部空间，但这也可能是车顶溜背的必然结果，后座再往后就压着头顶了。这属于为了好看而作出的牺牲，是不是低级错误就见仁见智了。</p><p><strong>9、学学<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/002594\">比亚迪</a>吧，有本事卷到欧美去，窝里横算什么本事？</strong></p><p>比亚迪必须赞赏，不等于小米就天生该踩。比亚迪一步一个脚印，从国内市场做起，过渡到全球南方市场，然后进军欧美市场（实际上还只是欧，美不让进，否则也大杀四方），这是又积极又稳妥的。小米踩着比亚迪的步子走，没有什么不对的。至于国内是不是汽车品牌已经太多了，让市场说话嘛。<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">特斯拉</a>刚出来的时候，欧美也有人认为汽车品牌已经太多了，特斯拉碰瓷是自找死路。现在没人这么说了。小米汽车能做到什么地步，这要看小米的努力和造化了，但只有尝试才有资格失败，更有资格成功。</p><p><strong>10、就是看不得小米，还想造车？你也配？</strong></p><p>这个嘛，小孩子气的事情只能当小孩子处理，要么关小黑屋反省，要么直接打一顿屁股教训。小米是中国品牌，有不错的产品，不小的用户圈，不差的口碑，有做强做大的心气、实力和实际行动，必须鼓励。就是看不得小米，你也配？</p><p>再攒攒，可能还有更多的罪状，先就这些吧。</p><p>小米可以批评，设计上已经暴露出一些低级错误了，但作为第一辆车，这些并不意外，只要在后续改进中逐步改进就行。</p><p>产能爬坡、质量控制的问号大大的，能否能在短时间里开始盈利更是大问题。这些才是质疑小米真正有意义的地方。</p><p>米粉、米黑大概是从手机时代带过来的。小米手机本人没用过，小米产品家里只有小米签字笔，用着挺好，但也说不出比别家好在哪。小米打造完整生态的努力在国内手机厂家里是领先的，做得好不好可以批评，但思路值得鼓励。小米汽车只是小米生态的进一步延展，并不是异想天开，本来就是有迹可循的。</p></body></html>","source":"fenghuang_stock","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" 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justify;\">在经历疫情等因素冲击之后，香港商厦市场持续走弱。更为奇怪的是，值此空置率创历来新高之际，还有外资减持，意欲出售旗下贵重的核心甲级写字楼。近日，多间发展商接获由一间外资行推介的实盘，英资置地公司放售旗下交易广场第3座全幢，楼高33层，每方呎叫价3.8万港元，以总楼面约430802方呎计算，意向价达160亿港元，项目还提供120个车位。该笔放售成为近年来中环区罕见的大手放盘，引发市场瞩目。英资置地公司母公司为怡和策略。怡和早于上世纪末宣布迁册，撤出香港转往新加坡上市。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">有香港中介代理强调，这是“极珍罕放盘”，鼓励发展商“勇于试价”，除了香港大型发展商外，内地金融机构，以及外资基金亦是目标客。事实上，多家内地金融机构一直有意在中环核心区寻找全幢甲厦，建立旗舰大本营。此次放售为他们提供了进驻中环的绝佳机会。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">此外，香港中介代理指出，2019年初的商厦高峰期，该大厦呎租最高达170港元，当时难有大面积空置，用户很难找到心仪的目标。即便经过3年疫情，该大厦出租率目前仍然高逾90%，租盘主要集中在低层单位，其中6楼及7楼全层面积约10707方呎，意向呎租为128港元。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">但近期，整体投资市场趋于平静，商厦市况见惨。根据世邦魏理仕资料显示，上半年整体空置率提升0.4个百分点，目前处于15.7%水平，属于历史新高。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">市场人士指出，尽管今年以来，中环区表现较其他地区有优势，不过，区内恒基旗下The Henderson，以及长实旗下的长江集团中心2期，将于今年内落成，2个项目合共提供约100万方呎楼面，推出预租以来反应慢热，亦可见甲厦前景面临前所未有的新挑战。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">长实于2017年11月以402亿港元出售中环中心权益，为香港历来最大宗物业成交，交易涉及中环中心的75%业权，包括约122万方呎写字楼及商铺楼面，成交呎价约3.3万港元。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">长江实业上周以低于同区一手房售价超过2成的低价，发售油唐新项目132伙单位，最低290万港元能成交，创下香港市区一手房呎价7年来新低，更低于同区二手房价格。此事引发全网热议。很多人认为，这给香港楼市带来了一定冲击，要相信李嘉诚的眼光和嗅觉。</p><p><strong>内地亦传出重磅信息</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>针对楼市的持续低迷，内地今天早上亦传来重磅信息。</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">据经济观察网报道，8月，一场由高层召集京沪广深主官的会议即将召开，主题关乎房地产相关政策如何调整优化。上个月，住建部部长倪虹在一个座谈会上表示要大力支持刚性和改善性住房需求，并具体提到三项措施：降低首套房首付比例和贷款利率、改善性住房换购税费减免、认房不认贷等。该座谈共有8家企业参会，分别是中海、华润、万科、龙湖、中国建筑、中建科技、南通四建和麦田，涉及开发商、建设方、中介。随后，各地都有一些政策出台，北京、深圳、广州、上海也都有表态，但并未见具体政策细则。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">早在七月初，券商中国就报道过，当时有传闻称，8月份大概率要取消息“认购又认贷”政策，所谓“认房又认贷”，通俗地说便是“认本地的房，认全国的贷”，名下有房以及全国范围内有过贷款，再买房都算二套。目前仍执行“认房又认贷”的十余个城市中，北京的力度最严，二套房首付比例最高可以达到80%、房贷利率可以高达5.25%，多年来在抑制投资炒房乃至减少换房交易频率上效果显著。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">分析人士认为，取消认房又认贷政策，对于改善性住房需求会有较大的刺激作用。而且，从目前的情况来看，“炒房风潮”已然退去，此前的调控目的已经达成。另一方面，目前房地产市场的确面临很多现实问题，比如，虽然一、二线城市政府将提出更多政策的信号已经非常明显，但目前绝大部分热点一、二线城市依然未实施实质性政策。如果仅是利率调整或公积金相关政策微调，难以激发购房者的欲望，楼市依然难言回暖。</p><p><strong>五大启示</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">房地产是影响国计民生的支柱行业，它的波动尤其是步入下行周期时，通常会引起广泛关注。据券商中国记者了解，目前的外资最看重的便是中国房地产市场何时可以出台重磅措施，力促企稳。在他们看来，只有房地产市场企稳，经济参与者的信心才能真正回升。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">二战后日本出现过两次地产危机，分别在1974-1977年和1991-2009年，两次的触发因素迥异，影响范围和程度截然不同，也采取了不同应对举措。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>中泰证券认为，日本房地产危机能够给我们带来五大启示。</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">第一，根据触发因素不同，地产危机至少有两类：一种是由外生冲击引起的收入和经济下行，传导至房地产市场；另一种则是，房地产行业陷入内生困境，通常是经济周期、金融周期与地产周期的共振，地产步入长周期下行。外生冲击引发的地产危机，影响时间较短，影响范围也相对更小。但当房地产行业陷入内生困境时，往往伴随着地产金融化，面临经济增速下台阶、地产行业调整等中长期的困境，需要很长时间才能真正解决。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">第二，两种类型的地产危机有着不同的政策应对方式。外生冲击引发的地产危机，往往可通过需求扩张政策来解决，包括降低房贷利率、促进收入增长等手段；而房地产行业的内生困境，通常还伴随着金融危机、经济增速下台阶与行业调整，在金融风险出清之前，经济与地产可能难有趋势性好转，政策重点在于加快不良资产处置与完善金融监管体系。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">第三，危机应重防范，宏观政策应灵活适度，避免大起大落。</p><p style=\"text-align: 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justify;\">今天，内地楼市亦传出重磅信息。据经济观察网报道，8月，一场由高层召集京沪广深主官的会议即将召开，主题关乎房地产相关政策如何调整优化。房地产市场企稳，中国经济就能企稳，这一直是外资的观点。而中国经济企稳，汇率、股市、物价等皆可稳。中泰证券认为，复盘日本战后两次地产危机和政策应对，有五点启示可供参考。</p><p><strong>李嘉诚之后的又一重磅消息</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">在经历疫情等因素冲击之后，香港商厦市场持续走弱。更为奇怪的是，值此空置率创历来新高之际，还有外资减持，意欲出售旗下贵重的核心甲级写字楼。近日，多间发展商接获由一间外资行推介的实盘，英资置地公司放售旗下交易广场第3座全幢，楼高33层，每方呎叫价3.8万港元，以总楼面约430802方呎计算，意向价达160亿港元，项目还提供120个车位。该笔放售成为近年来中环区罕见的大手放盘，引发市场瞩目。英资置地公司母公司为怡和策略。怡和早于上世纪末宣布迁册，撤出香港转往新加坡上市。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">有香港中介代理强调，这是“极珍罕放盘”，鼓励发展商“勇于试价”，除了香港大型发展商外，内地金融机构，以及外资基金亦是目标客。事实上，多家内地金融机构一直有意在中环核心区寻找全幢甲厦，建立旗舰大本营。此次放售为他们提供了进驻中环的绝佳机会。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">此外，香港中介代理指出，2019年初的商厦高峰期，该大厦呎租最高达170港元，当时难有大面积空置，用户很难找到心仪的目标。即便经过3年疫情，该大厦出租率目前仍然高逾90%，租盘主要集中在低层单位，其中6楼及7楼全层面积约10707方呎，意向呎租为128港元。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">但近期，整体投资市场趋于平静，商厦市况见惨。根据世邦魏理仕资料显示，上半年整体空置率提升0.4个百分点，目前处于15.7%水平，属于历史新高。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">市场人士指出，尽管今年以来，中环区表现较其他地区有优势，不过，区内恒基旗下The Henderson，以及长实旗下的长江集团中心2期，将于今年内落成，2个项目合共提供约100万方呎楼面，推出预租以来反应慢热，亦可见甲厦前景面临前所未有的新挑战。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">长实于2017年11月以402亿港元出售中环中心权益，为香港历来最大宗物业成交，交易涉及中环中心的75%业权，包括约122万方呎写字楼及商铺楼面，成交呎价约3.3万港元。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">长江实业上周以低于同区一手房售价超过2成的低价，发售油唐新项目132伙单位，最低290万港元能成交，创下香港市区一手房呎价7年来新低，更低于同区二手房价格。此事引发全网热议。很多人认为，这给香港楼市带来了一定冲击，要相信李嘉诚的眼光和嗅觉。</p><p><strong>内地亦传出重磅信息</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>针对楼市的持续低迷，内地今天早上亦传来重磅信息。</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">据经济观察网报道，8月，一场由高层召集京沪广深主官的会议即将召开，主题关乎房地产相关政策如何调整优化。上个月，住建部部长倪虹在一个座谈会上表示要大力支持刚性和改善性住房需求，并具体提到三项措施：降低首套房首付比例和贷款利率、改善性住房换购税费减免、认房不认贷等。该座谈共有8家企业参会，分别是中海、华润、万科、龙湖、中国建筑、中建科技、南通四建和麦田，涉及开发商、建设方、中介。随后，各地都有一些政策出台，北京、深圳、广州、上海也都有表态，但并未见具体政策细则。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">早在七月初，券商中国就报道过，当时有传闻称，8月份大概率要取消息“认购又认贷”政策，所谓“认房又认贷”，通俗地说便是“认本地的房，认全国的贷”，名下有房以及全国范围内有过贷款，再买房都算二套。目前仍执行“认房又认贷”的十余个城市中，北京的力度最严，二套房首付比例最高可以达到80%、房贷利率可以高达5.25%，多年来在抑制投资炒房乃至减少换房交易频率上效果显著。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">分析人士认为，取消认房又认贷政策，对于改善性住房需求会有较大的刺激作用。而且，从目前的情况来看，“炒房风潮”已然退去，此前的调控目的已经达成。另一方面，目前房地产市场的确面临很多现实问题，比如，虽然一、二线城市政府将提出更多政策的信号已经非常明显，但目前绝大部分热点一、二线城市依然未实施实质性政策。如果仅是利率调整或公积金相关政策微调，难以激发购房者的欲望，楼市依然难言回暖。</p><p><strong>五大启示</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">房地产是影响国计民生的支柱行业，它的波动尤其是步入下行周期时，通常会引起广泛关注。据券商中国记者了解，目前的外资最看重的便是中国房地产市场何时可以出台重磅措施，力促企稳。在他们看来，只有房地产市场企稳，经济参与者的信心才能真正回升。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">二战后日本出现过两次地产危机，分别在1974-1977年和1991-2009年，两次的触发因素迥异，影响范围和程度截然不同，也采取了不同应对举措。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>中泰证券认为，日本房地产危机能够给我们带来五大启示。</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">第一，根据触发因素不同，地产危机至少有两类：一种是由外生冲击引起的收入和经济下行，传导至房地产市场；另一种则是，房地产行业陷入内生困境，通常是经济周期、金融周期与地产周期的共振，地产步入长周期下行。外生冲击引发的地产危机，影响时间较短，影响范围也相对更小。但当房地产行业陷入内生困境时，往往伴随着地产金融化，面临经济增速下台阶、地产行业调整等中长期的困境，需要很长时间才能真正解决。</p><p style=\"text-align: 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tg-height=\"364\"/></p><p>整个声明只有一句话，22个单词：</p><p><strong>“减轻人工智能带来的灭绝风险，应该与大流行病和核战争等其他社会规模的风险级别一样，成为一个全球性的优先事项。”</strong></p><p>拜登政府近几个月表示，人工智能对公共安全、隐私和民主构成威胁，但政府对其监管的权力有限。</p><blockquote><strong>OpenAI创始人领衔，超350位AI大佬签名</strong></blockquote><p><strong>目前已有超350位AI大佬签署了上述联名公开信</strong>，包括OpenAI首席执行官Sam Altman、谷歌DeepMind首席执行官Demis Hassabis和Anthropic首席执行官Dario Amode三大AI公司掌门人等。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/45eeee0f689e413524634f98d287d2a7\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"554\" tg-height=\"1522\"/></p><p><strong>图灵奖获得者、被誉为人工智能“教父”的Geoffrey Hinton和Yoshua Bengio也赫然在列。</strong></p><p><strong>名单里也不乏中国学者的身影</strong>，包括中国工程院院士、清华大学智能产业研究院（AIR）院长张亚勤，中国科学院自动化研究所人工智能伦理与治理研究中心主任曾毅，清华大学副教授詹仙园。</p><p>其他签署人还包括微软首席技术官Kevin Scott，前联合国裁军事务高级代表Angela Kane，Skype联合创始人Jaan Tallinn，Quora首席执行官Adam D&#39;Angelo。</p><p>他们表示，虽然公众一直在承认人工智能的风险，但还有更多挑战需要讨论。他们还想“为越来越多的专家和公众人物创造共同知识，他们也认真对待先进人工智能领域存在的一些最严重的风险”。</p><p>值得一提的是，目前，<strong>微软创始人比尔·盖茨没有签署这一联名信。</strong></p><blockquote><strong>“危险！立刻停下所有大型AI研究”</strong></blockquote><p>自去年ChatGPT发布以来，科技行业掀起了一场竞争激烈的AI竞赛，同时也引发公众对于这项未知技术的恐惧。</p><p>今年3月份，Bengio、马斯克、苹果联合创始人Steve Wozniak、Stability AI创始人Emad Mostaque等科技大佬发表联名公开信，<strong>呼吁暂停比GPT-4更强大的人工智能系统的训练，暂停时间至少为6个月。</strong></p><p>公开信强调了AI在迅猛发展，但却没有对其进行相应的规划和管理：</p><p><strong>“最近几个月人工智能实验室掀起AI狂潮，它们疯狂地开展AI竞赛，开发和部署越来越强大的AI。</strong></p><p><strong>不幸的是，目前为止，没有任何人能理解、预测或可靠地控制AI系统，也没有相应水平的规划和管理。”</strong></p><p>信中提到，如今人工智能在一般任务上变得与人类一样有竞争力，我们必须问自己：</p><p>“是否应该开发非人类的大脑，使其最终超过人类数量，胜过人类的智慧，淘汰并取代人类？</p><p><strong>是否应该冒着失去对人类文明控制的风险？</strong>”</p><p>答案是否定的，公开信指出，<strong>只有当我们确信强大的AI系统的效果是积极的，其风险是可控的，才应该开发。</strong></p><p>因此，公开信呼吁所有人工智能实验室立即暂停比GPT-4更强大的人工智能系统的训练，时间至少持续6个月。</p><p>“我们应该从危险的竞赛中退后一步，……让如今最强大的模型<strong>更加准确、安全</strong>。</p><p>让我们享受一个漫长的人工智能夏天，而不是毫无准备地匆忙进入秋天。”</p><blockquote><strong>AI教父：痛悔毕生工作，无法阻止人类AI大战</strong></blockquote><p>5月初，深度学习泰斗、人工智能教父Geoffrey Hinton突然宣布离职谷歌，终于可以畅所欲言地谈论AI的风险了。<br/></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/acc3dc261cb6d19c118db0dec4afd246\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"274\"/></p><p>正是对人工智能风险深深地担忧，让这位深度学习巨佬直言：<strong>“我对自己的毕生工作，感到非常后悔。”</strong></p><p>在媒体报道中，Hinton直接警示世人：<strong>注意，前方有危险，前方有危险，前方有危险！</strong></p><p>在一次采访中，Hinton表示“我们几乎已经让学会计算机如何自我改进了，<strong>这很危险，我们必须认真考虑，如何控制它。</strong>”</p><p>他曾指出，<strong>谷歌和微软，以及其他公司之间的竞争，将升级为一场全球性竞赛。如果没有某种全球性的监管，这场竞赛将不会停止！</strong></p><p><strong>他表示自己很担忧，GPT-4迭代会对人类构成威胁，强AI从大量数据中能够学到意想不到的行为。</strong></p><p><strong>他担心有一天真正的自主武器ーー那些杀人机器人ーー会成为现实。</strong></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4ed375d339a014b2b25985d64d12cce0\" title=\"图片来自《西部世界》\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"607\"/><span>图片来自《西部世界》</span></p><p>上世纪80年代，Hinton曾是卡内基梅隆大学的计算机科学教授，但因为不愿接受五角大楼的资助，他选择了离开CMU，前往加拿大。<strong>当时，Hinton强烈反对在战场上使用AI，他将其称为「机器人士兵」。</strong></p><p>从人工智能的开创者到末日预言者，Hinton的转变，也许标志着<strong>科技行业正处于几十年来最重要的一个拐点。</strong></p></body></html>","source":"wallstreetcn_api","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" 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