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GLA
02-13
$壁仞科技(06082)$
最近投资策略有重大失误,进行了彻底反思,1月底白银确实涨太多了,我本来就觉得不适合再进入,但是没有稳住,但是损失的都不多,损失几千,痛定思痛,这已经不是我正常的投资策略,果断割了,也不想耐心拿着等反弹了。 因为AI的趋势还没有停下来,AI是大投资方向,但是奈何黄金白银涨太多,市场上的噪音一下子特别多,让我迷失了本心。但是但是分析下来,黄金它一直都是避险资产的属性,它的涨跌受大环境影响太大了,至于白银,完全就是投机客,现在在炒起来的,所以除了之前买的黄金ETF场外,场内就留了一支白银ETF,然后然后把所有的资金都清仓了,重新回到AI赛道。 还有个小插曲,本来想着春节前按照前几年的惯例,消费股都会涨一波,但我想起来的时候已经有点晚了,也没有赶上。 昨天特意研究了半天,然后从AI应用、AI基础股、机器人三个方向里面来选择一下,因为我觉得春节后肯定会爆发一波,但是AI应用股没想到节前已经涨太多了,今天上市的海致科技我就猜到了也肯定会暴涨,因为我没有中签,所以我也不准备现在进入,等后面回调有机会再说没机会就拉倒了。 然后AI基础股里面,有存储芯片和半导体2个方向,纠结半天选择了这个做GPU的6082,我觉得它潜力是有的,现在股价也没有涨太多,提前埋伏。
GLA
2025-09-30
$Wolfspeed Inc.(WOLF)$
现在交易的这个是已经按1:120比例稀释过的新股吗,有大佬解读一下吗
GLA
2025-10-11
$Wolfspeed Inc.(WOLF)$
这个是什么,我的持仓显示的这个,不是说10号老股可以交易吗,是老虎问题吗
GLA
2025-10-16
$Wolfspeed Inc.(WOLF)$
兄弟们之前的旧股又可以卖出了的吗,想知道都不能卖还是只有老虎不行,老虎客服说只能等着公司换股
GLA
2019-12-11
$小米集团-W(01810)$
又不是之前没上过10,小米还不懂吗,过几天再给你们跌回8.8,到时候见
GLA
2024-01-03
$乐华娱乐(02306)$
这都没人?什么情况啊今天
GLA
2020-01-17
$新石文化(01740)$
没中签,追进去,**了,还行么,不靠谱,等等看
GLA
2025-09-09
$云知声(09678)$
干的漂亮,这只破股票凭什么能涨这么多?早该跌了
GLA
2019-12-27
$小米集团-W(01810)$
大佬能不能讲一下,为什么在10.86和10.88徘徊,不上也不下吗
GLA
2019-11-08
$美团点评-W(03690)$
特么有病啊,大早上一上来就猛砸?这是哪家机构?????!!!!
去老虎APP查看更多动态
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href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GOOG\">谷歌</a>这类规模庞大、根基稳固的大型企业,利率往往只有6%-9%。有了英伟达的背书,OpenAI与Coreweave得以降低借贷利率,使之接近微软、<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GOOGL\">谷歌</a>的水平。</p><p>Coreweave还曾与英伟达签署一项价值63亿美元的协议。按照协议规定,对于Coreweave无法出售给其他客户的云算力,英伟达有义务全部收购。此外,英伟达还曾承诺在四年内,向Coreweave支付13亿美元,用于购买云计算服务。</p><img src=\"https://fid-75186.picgzc.qpic.cn/20251006153127786v1635f79oyxm1xo\"/><p>Coreweave迄今已从英伟达手中购买25万块GPU,当中大部分是H100 Hopper型号,单块售价高达3万美元。也就是说,仅在购买这些芯片时,Coreweave便向英伟达支付了75亿美元。</p><p>从本质上讲,英伟达对Coreweave的投资,最终会以营收的形式回流到英伟达自身。</p><img src=\"https://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_png/5ztLIayvaW37uAdHgjogvx9ZPibaZO7edzSeqVtKslrcepgJ3eIb5zQ6WslB58LbPWQxttIZFggrdciamWry5r9w/640?wx_fmt=other&wxfrom=5&wx_lazy=1&wx_co=1&randomid=ij04wmzx&tp=webp#imgIndex=6\"/><p><strong>英伟达的投资秘密</strong></p><p>不只如此,英伟达还打造所谓的“新云企业”(neo-cloud companies),与它们签署协议。“新云”服务商既不完全是云,也不完全是数据中心,而是介于二者之间。</p><p>今年夏天,英伟达同意向Lambda租赁算力,四年耗资约13亿美元,合作模式与Coreweave类似,算力由1万块英伟达AI芯片支撑。双方还有另一项协议,价值2亿美元,英伟达承诺未来再向Lambda租赁8000块芯片。Lambda正是英伟达所说的“新云企业”。</p><img src=\"https://fid-75186.picgzc.qpic.cn/20251006153139216v163uz9a9uxhibr\"/><p>要知道,Lambda出售给英伟达使用的芯片是借款购买的,这笔资金又是Lambda用自己的GPU作为抵押借得的,这样的交易被许多人认为是“泡沫”的证据。</p><p>除了OpenAI和Coreweave,英伟达还持有许多其它上市公司的股份,这些公司或者采购英伟达GPU,或者从事芯片技术研发,当中包括<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/ARM\">Arm</a>、高性能计算企业<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/APLD\">Applied Digital</a>、云服务公司<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NBIS\">Nebius</a> Group、生物科技公司<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/RXRX\">Recursion</a> Pharmaceuticals。</p><p>就在前不久,英伟达还以50亿美元购得<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/INTC\">英特尔</a>5%股份。月初时,英伟达承诺将向英国AI初创企业投资20亿英镑(约27亿美元),当中5亿英镑用于建设Nscale数据中心,该中心预计将采用英伟达芯片。</p><p>不难猜测,英伟达虽然慷慨投资英国,但当中的大部分资金仍会回流英伟达。</p><img src=\"https://fid-75186.picgzc.qpic.cn/20251006153145647v163iqujqhe4cpf\"/><p>英伟达旗下的投资分支名叫NVentures。2024年,NVentures向全球AI初创企业投入约10亿美元,较2022年大幅增长。</p><p>根据华尔街咨询公司NewStreet Research的估算,英伟达每向OpenAI投资10亿美元,就能通过GPU销售或者租赁获得35亿美元营收。</p><p>需要注意的是,OpenAI只是租用英伟达芯片,并非直接购买,如此一来,OpenAI就可以避免芯片折旧带来的巨额费用,有助于OpenAI减轻财务压力。为什么英伟达愿意承担折旧成本?很简单,如果AI需求低迷,英伟达GPU将会陷入无人问津的处境。</p><img src=\"https://fid-75186.picgzc.qpic.cn/20251006153146303v163k4koh39608y\"/><p><strong>泡沫担忧与OpenAI的自信</strong></p><p>从更长的时间尺度看,当前的AI热潮与互联网泡沫相似。想当年,北电、朗讯、<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/CSCO\">思科</a>等电信设备商也曾向初创企业、电信公司提供贷款,帮助它们采购自家设备。2001年泡沫破裂前,思科、北电向客户提供的融资金额已经占到公司年度营收的10%,五大电信设备商提供的融资总额,超过<span>净利润</span>总和的123%。</p><p>当泡沫破灭,电信设备商出现大量坏账,由于贷款过多,泡沫破灭后的损失远超预估。在之后的10年里,网络设备企业的市值蒸发90%。</p><img src=\"https://fid-75186.picgzc.qpic.cn/20251006153152312v1638n17ohi8qko\"/><p>更值得参考的案例是Global Crossing,它曾是赫赫有名的光纤巨头,直接参与“营收循环造假”。为了达成营收预期,类似Global Crossing这样的公司先向另一家企业支付费用,让它们购买服务,拿到资金之后,这些企业再向Global Crossing购买设备。最终游戏无法进行下去,Global Crossing宣告破产。</p><p>可能正是因为历史记忆如此深刻,分析师对英伟达和OpenAI的交易保持警惕。Seaport Global分析师戈德堡(Goldberg)指出,两家公司的交易带有“循环融资”的味道,是“泡沫式行为”。</p><img src=\"https://fid-75186.picgzc.qpic.cn/20251006153153070v163sqdufhwett3\"/><p>作为AI的领军企业,OpenAI当然依旧乐观。</p><p>OpenAI CFO 莎拉・弗里尔(Sarah Friar)表示,今年公司的营收预计将达130亿美元。她说:“当互联网刚刚起步时,人们一直觉得我们建设得太多太多。但看看现在,还有人说多吗?”</p><p>8月份,OpenAI联合创始人奥特曼曾说,公司宁可承受亏损,也要将增长和投资放在优先位置。</p><p>无论OpenAI怎么鼓吹,怀疑者仍然越来越多。Bespoke投资集团在报告中表示:“对于AI技术的前景,即使是不那么怀疑的人也存在隐忧,整个AI产业似乎成了自我循环。提供资金并让资金转化为营收,如果英伟达靠这样的方式才能增长,那整个生态是否能持续便存在疑虑。”</p><img src=\"https://fid-75186.picgzc.qpic.cn/20251006153209373v16301xle86051u\"/><p>One Point BFG Wealth Partners公司首席投资官彼得・布克瓦尔(Peter Boockvar)表示,当英伟达与OpenAI的交易公布之后,20世纪90年代互联网泡沫时期的企业名字便在他脑海回荡,而且当前的AI投资比当年大得多。</p><p>布克瓦尔指出:“要让规模庞大的试验顺利推进,且不能造成巨额损失,OpenAI和同行必须创造巨额营收与利润,既要支付它们签下的所有债务,同时还要为投资者带来回报。”</p></article></body></html>","source":"tencent","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" 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