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恋战失荆州
2020-12-04
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恋战失荆州
2020-11-24
潘石屹称称长租公寓租金翻两番都亏本。
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恋战失荆州
2020-11-24
$蛋壳公寓(DNK)$
潘石屹称 长租公寓租金价格翻两番都亏本。
恋战失荆州
2020-11-20
$蛋壳公寓(DNK)$
再涨涨,等市值涨到60亿 赶紧把国内的60亿债务还清。
恋战失荆州
2020-11-19
$蛋壳公寓(DNK)$
目前为止,蛋壳的市值7亿左右,即使申请破产,也堵不上60亿负债的窟窿。韭菜赶紧冲,帮着堵窟窿[捂脸]
恋战失荆州
2020-11-19
$蛋壳公寓(DNK)$
看报道,蛋壳亏损60亿,这么大的缺口很可怕,担心申请破产后,股民手中的股票会怎样?
恋战失荆州
2020-08-05
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@罗老板投资笔记:我坚信:中芯国际在不久的未来,市值可到6500亿元人民币可期!
恋战失荆州
2020-08-03
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@桃李春风益点财:阿里、亚马逊、京东和拼多多,谁是价值股和成长股二合一?
恋战失荆州
2020-02-28
$蔚来(NIO)$ 合肥及投资方 一起支持蔚来,将来与特斯拉平分天下也不是没可能
恋战失荆州
2020-02-27
$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 散户再怎么炒股,也比不过后台大数据+人工智能+炒股算法。
恋战失荆州
2020-02-27
$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 大势已去,各个炒股群的理财经理推荐我们尽快做空卖掉手中的特斯拉
恋战失荆州
2020-02-26
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恋战失荆州
2020-02-21
$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 今天的理财经理在群里说 达到960,一起卖光,适可而止。不要太贪高。
恋战失荆州
2020-02-19
$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 再等等,涨到960 就卖
恋战失荆州
2020-02-19
马上就要大跌
@神的左手:$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 随便写写,为什么不看好特斯拉, 想到哪写到哪,什么都包含点。1. 基本面没有变,卖的车还是太少。今年卖出量在NL NO SP的走势甚至不如2018年,虽然季末一般会暴涨,但今年一二月上述三国数据基本是历史最差没跑了。 2. 前景可期,但变数无处不在,现在的股价已经透支了太多的期望。3. 不能拿苹果比较,苹果卖iPhone一开始是硬件赚大量的钱,远远超出友商。现在苹果在卖服务,托高了股价。同时苹果托起了不止一个行业,比如视频,比如手机支付,甚至改变了全球码农待遇。一切皆可APP,而特斯拉目前并没有。iphone成功背后有无数app公司托着,特斯拉呢? 4. 大量调研表明,顾客买特斯拉,是因为特斯拉更有科技感。Autopilot的优势只有数据积累。在功能上并没有领先友商,甚至和开源的openpilot没有拉开差距。 5. Best Case没有那么好拿的,从最简单的概率论来看,如果一件事成功率为90%,两件这样的事情都要成功就只有81%的成功率了。就目前来说变数就有新冠病毒和德国(大家都关注砍树,其实特斯拉连建筑许可都没拿到,只买到了地) 6. 牛市下,或者说大家疯狂抬高特斯拉,所有信息都解读为利好了。换个电池也能吹上天了,而电池并没有改变很多东西。成本大降还是续航猛增,都看不到。 7. 大批量生产虽然能获得一些议价权,但原料价格,服务价格等的变数并没有消除。8. 电动车本质并没有颠覆乘用车市场。功能没有明显变化。 油管上很多对比视频,并没有看到nokia对比苹果那样两个物种的对比。 9. 环保角度,特斯拉充电效率貌似高些能倒95%(超充),从发电厂发电到给车充上电,环保性能貌似并不比最新的油车好多少。10. 价格上依然更同等级的车比偏高。随便写写,抛砖引玉,谢绝上来就说电车是未来,马斯克是上帝,特斯拉独霸全球车市的无脑论点。
恋战失荆州
2020-02-13
连转向这种基本的部件都存在隐患,估计离大跌不远了
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恋战失荆州
2020-02-06
$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 两周之内,必跌至400。立贴为证!
恋战失荆州
2020-01-30
$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 气球吹的越大越容易破,像泡沫一样。
恋战失荆州
2020-01-30
$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 电动汽车如果只有特斯拉一家,别说660元一股,一千元也值。但是在中国,北汽新能源汽车的销量排名第一、其次比亚迪。除此之外,蔚来汽车、理想One也很有潜力。
恋战失荆州
2020-01-29
$国美零售(00493)$ 受全国疫情影响,人们去实体店购买商品大大减少
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Best Case没有那么好拿的,从最简单的概率论来看,如果一件事成功率为90%,两件这样的事情都要成功就只有81%的成功率了。就目前来说变数就有新冠病毒和德国(大家都关注砍树,其实特斯拉连建筑许可都没拿到,只买到了地) 6. 牛市下,或者说大家疯狂抬高特斯拉,所有信息都解读为利好了。换个电池也能吹上天了,而电池并没有改变很多东西。成本大降还是续航猛增,都看不到。 7. 大批量生产虽然能获得一些议价权,但原料价格,服务价格等的变数并没有消除。8. 电动车本质并没有颠覆乘用车市场。功能没有明显变化。 油管上很多对比视频,并没有看到nokia对比苹果那样两个物种的对比。 9. 环保角度,特斯拉充电效率貌似高些能倒95%(超充),从发电厂发电到给车充上电,环保性能貌似并不比最新的油车好多少。10. 价格上依然更同等级的车比偏高。随便写写,抛砖引玉,谢绝上来就说电车是未来,马斯克是上帝,特斯拉独霸全球车市的无脑论点。 ","listText":"$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 随便写写,为什么不看好特斯拉, 想到哪写到哪,什么都包含点。1. 基本面没有变,卖的车还是太少。今年卖出量在NL NO SP的走势甚至不如2018年,虽然季末一般会暴涨,但今年一二月上述三国数据基本是历史最差没跑了。 2. 前景可期,但变数无处不在,现在的股价已经透支了太多的期望。3. 不能拿苹果比较,苹果卖iPhone一开始是硬件赚大量的钱,远远超出友商。现在苹果在卖服务,托高了股价。同时苹果托起了不止一个行业,比如视频,比如手机支付,甚至改变了全球码农待遇。一切皆可APP,而特斯拉目前并没有。iphone成功背后有无数app公司托着,特斯拉呢? 4. 大量调研表明,顾客买特斯拉,是因为特斯拉更有科技感。Autopilot的优势只有数据积累。在功能上并没有领先友商,甚至和开源的openpilot没有拉开差距。 5. Best Case没有那么好拿的,从最简单的概率论来看,如果一件事成功率为90%,两件这样的事情都要成功就只有81%的成功率了。就目前来说变数就有新冠病毒和德国(大家都关注砍树,其实特斯拉连建筑许可都没拿到,只买到了地) 6. 牛市下,或者说大家疯狂抬高特斯拉,所有信息都解读为利好了。换个电池也能吹上天了,而电池并没有改变很多东西。成本大降还是续航猛增,都看不到。 7. 大批量生产虽然能获得一些议价权,但原料价格,服务价格等的变数并没有消除。8. 电动车本质并没有颠覆乘用车市场。功能没有明显变化。 油管上很多对比视频,并没有看到nokia对比苹果那样两个物种的对比。 9. 环保角度,特斯拉充电效率貌似高些能倒95%(超充),从发电厂发电到给车充上电,环保性能貌似并不比最新的油车好多少。10. 价格上依然更同等级的车比偏高。随便写写,抛砖引玉,谢绝上来就说电车是未来,马斯克是上帝,特斯拉独霸全球车市的无脑论点。 ","text":"$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 随便写写,为什么不看好特斯拉, 想到哪写到哪,什么都包含点。1. 基本面没有变,卖的车还是太少。今年卖出量在NL NO SP的走势甚至不如2018年,虽然季末一般会暴涨,但今年一二月上述三国数据基本是历史最差没跑了。 2. 前景可期,但变数无处不在,现在的股价已经透支了太多的期望。3. 不能拿苹果比较,苹果卖iPhone一开始是硬件赚大量的钱,远远超出友商。现在苹果在卖服务,托高了股价。同时苹果托起了不止一个行业,比如视频,比如手机支付,甚至改变了全球码农待遇。一切皆可APP,而特斯拉目前并没有。iphone成功背后有无数app公司托着,特斯拉呢? 4. 大量调研表明,顾客买特斯拉,是因为特斯拉更有科技感。Autopilot的优势只有数据积累。在功能上并没有领先友商,甚至和开源的openpilot没有拉开差距。 5. Best Case没有那么好拿的,从最简单的概率论来看,如果一件事成功率为90%,两件这样的事情都要成功就只有81%的成功率了。就目前来说变数就有新冠病毒和德国(大家都关注砍树,其实特斯拉连建筑许可都没拿到,只买到了地) 6. 牛市下,或者说大家疯狂抬高特斯拉,所有信息都解读为利好了。换个电池也能吹上天了,而电池并没有改变很多东西。成本大降还是续航猛增,都看不到。 7. 大批量生产虽然能获得一些议价权,但原料价格,服务价格等的变数并没有消除。8. 电动车本质并没有颠覆乘用车市场。功能没有明显变化。 油管上很多对比视频,并没有看到nokia对比苹果那样两个物种的对比。 9. 环保角度,特斯拉充电效率貌似高些能倒95%(超充),从发电厂发电到给车充上电,环保性能貌似并不比最新的油车好多少。10. 价格上依然更同等级的车比偏高。随便写写,抛砖引玉,谢绝上来就说电车是未来,马斯克是上帝,特斯拉独霸全球车市的无脑论点。","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":2,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/917790304","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":0,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1409,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0}],"lives":[]}