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你猜我是谁谁
2025-11-27
$小米集团-W(01810)$
小米的大模型和ai还没有出发,智能家居最好落地的应该是小米了 。看好小米哦,这段时间的流量反噬应该差不多了。你要相信小米,这个网络上反噬对真实业务影响有,不是很大
你猜我是谁谁
2025-11-21
好好活着
你猜我是谁谁
2025-11-20
$PayPal(PYPL)$
我在赌他的加密货币支付
你猜我是谁谁
2025-11-18
$小米集团-W(01810)$
为啥财报还没出来?难道说的是美国时间11月18日?
你猜我是谁谁
2025-10-29
$PayPal(PYPL)$
为啥涨幅没有了?财报的问题还是什么问题?盘前最高16%。谁来给分一下。
你猜我是谁谁
2025-10-28
$PayPal(PYPL)$
你猜我是谁谁
2025-09-30
$紫金黄金国际(02259)$
好幸运
你猜我是谁谁
2025-09-25
这是一点也没回拨
新股定价 | 奇瑞汽车以上限定价,公开发售超购307倍,一手中签率0.67%
你猜我是谁谁
2025-09-23
$奇瑞汽车(09973)$
申购6手没中?有天理吗?
你猜我是谁谁
2025-09-23
$奇瑞汽车(09973)$
几点解放资金?
你猜我是谁谁
2025-09-18
$奇瑞汽车(09973)$
吉利市盈率11,比亚迪23,奇瑞ipo是11。上涨空间有多少?
你猜我是谁谁
2025-09-18
$奇瑞汽车(09973)$
现金6手,主打一个不出手续费,应该稳中一手
你猜我是谁谁
2025-07-14
$嘀嗒出行(02559)$
传言要扩充业务线,增加新业务,未来看涨
你猜我是谁谁
2025-06-27
$小米集团-W(01810)$
你猜我是谁谁
2025-06-27
$小米集团-W(01810)$
我米要雄起了!!!!
你猜我是谁谁
2025-05-31
$英伟达(NVDA)$
挣得不多,波动有点大。
你猜我是谁谁
2025-05-23
工作时间偷看盘,撒个尿都不忘瞄一眼
@散户死于盯盘
你猜我是谁谁
2025-05-23
嘴硬:“长线价值投资”;心慌:三天不涨就清仓。
@价值投资v
你猜我是谁谁
2025-03-31
$小米集团-W(01810)$
小米ai还能炒一波
你猜我是谁谁
2025-03-21
十年来最低点?你怎么得出的结论
英伟达新GPU再王炸,也得靠蹭DeepSeek卖卡
去老虎APP查看更多动态
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width=\"1080\"/></p>\n<p>从市场的反应来看大部分人对GB300不太买账,它没有上一代GB200的那种“横空出世”的惊喜感,要说最大的升级点,可能是HBMe内存提升至288GB,就是有点“<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AAPL\">苹果</a>今年发布的新机是2TB版本的iPhone 16 Pro Max”的味道了。</p>\n<p>重头戏是英伟达未来的芯片架构规划,下代超级芯片Rubin NVL144,比GB300 NVL72 强了3.3倍;下下代的Rubin Ultra NVL576性能是GB300 NVL72的14倍,从画饼给出的性能来看,未来大概率还是会由英伟达掌握GPU算力王座。</p>\n<p><img border=\"0\" src=\"https://img.lanjinger.com/news/20250320/171229_jnjzapzjfxufu.png\" width=\"1080\"/></p>\n<p>· 两款全新的AI电脑,分别是搭载了GB10 Grace Blackwell超级芯片的DGX Spark,每秒可提供高达 1000 万亿次 AI 运算;搭载了GB300 Grace Blackwell Ultra的DGX Station,可以提供每秒可提供高达2000 万亿次 AI 运算。目前DGX Spark已经开始预售,要价3000美元。</p>\n<p>· 开源软件NVIDIA Dyamo,可以简单理解为一款AI工厂(数据中心)的操作系统,英伟达说在NVIDIA Blackwell上使用Dynamo优化推理,能让DeepSeek-R1的吞吐量提升30倍。</p>\n<p>· 具身机器人的技术储备,包括机器人通用基础模型Isaac GR00T N1、一款配备了GR00T N1模型的机器人:Blue,和Google Mind、<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/DIS\">迪士尼</a>合作的最新成果。</p>\n<p><img border=\"0\" src=\"https://img.lanjinger.com/news/20250320/171229_ngthkzcmwkrvf.png\" width=\"1080\"/></p>\n<p>从发布的产品来看,英伟达还是那个GPU领域的霸主,甚至领导地位已经开始向AI拓展。它们不仅将产品技术路线图更新至一年一更,未来三年的产品堪称“超级大饼”,围绕AI相关的软件建设也在飞速推进,NVIDIA Dyamo很可能会是未来数据中心的标配。</p>\n<p>对于DeepSeek的冲击,英伟达似乎也有了解决的办法。</p>\n<p>进入“token时代”</p>\n<p>终于,黄仁勋首次在公开场合,正面回应了DeepSeek诞生以来对公司造成的冲击。</p>\n<p>首先他把DeepSeek从头到脚吹了一遍,说DeepSeek R1模型是“卓越的创新”和“世界级的开源推理模型”,而且他淡定地表示,不理解为什么大家会把DeepSeek当成英伟达的末日。</p>\n<p>至于因DeepSeek而起的关于Scaling Law撞墙的讨论,老黄在会上给出了自己的理解。</p>\n<p>首先,他在大会上对Scaling Law进行了一次迭代更新:</p>\n<p><img border=\"0\" src=\"https://img.lanjinger.com/news/20250320/171230_uutskutcccuzb.jpeg\" width=\"1386\"/></p>\n<p>现在他将Scaling Law细化为PRE-TRAINING SCALING、POST-TRAINING SCALING、TEST-TIME SCALING三个部分。老黄的意思是,随着AI进入到不同阶段,对Scaling的需求是不断提高的。</p>\n<p>这里要提一下,老黄认为AI的发展分为四个阶段:感知人工智能(Perception AI)、生成式人工智能(Generative AI)、代理人工智能(Agentic AI)和未来的物理 AI(Physical AI)。而现在我们正处于代理人工智能阶段。</p>\n<p><img border=\"0\" src=\"https://img.lanjinger.com/news/20250320/171230_pcnlehoggsdoh.jpeg\" width=\"1186\"/></p>\n<p>现阶段由于推理模型、AI代理的爆发,实际上更加需要Scaling,更加需要算力。</p>\n<p>其背后的关键是token。</p>\n<p>以推理模型为例子,模型进行推理时,token的消耗猛涨。用老黄的话,我们不仅需要让token的吞吐量提升十倍,还需要过去10倍的算力来提升token的输出速度,最终,需要的算力是之前的100倍。</p>\n<p>从技术上来说,这不无道理。相比传统的生成式模型,比如ChatGPT,我们观察到它没有列举推理步骤。输入问题 → 提供答案,没中间商差价,答案所呈现的就是最终消耗的token数。</p>\n<p>而拥有思维链的推理式模型,比如大家熟知的DeepSeek R1,会有一连串的推理过程,有些时候可能推理过程的字数比答案还要多。</p>\n<p>R1模型能够实现推理,是因为会将输出的token返回上级重新思考、推理,正如比喻大师老黄所说的“每个token都会自我怀疑”,在不断的怀疑-论证中,形成了推理的过程。但这也会更多地消耗算力和token,推理模型要比传统生成式模型多消耗的token不是2倍,而是20倍。</p>\n<p>所以,我们用推理模型时,一大串的思考、推理过程要在前台展示出来,不仅因为用户可以从大模型的推理过程介入修正答案,还因为它们不是白送的,不是免费的,而是在消耗一个个token,都是真金白银,花了钱的地方肯定得让你看到。</p>\n<p>而且市面上的推理模型越来越多,更多的传统模型也陆续开始加入推理过程,比如谷歌的Gemini,最终token的消耗会呈指数级增长。</p>\n<p>这就是老黄坚信Scaling Law没有失效的底气。在会上,老黄用传统模型Llama 3.3 70B与DeepSeek R1 671B进行了对比,统一回答一个复杂问题。最终前者消耗了400多个token但结果不可用,后者的结果堪称完美,但足足消耗了8559个token。</p>\n<p><img border=\"0\" src=\"https://img.lanjinger.com/news/20250320/171230_idejzifortjay.jpeg\" width=\"1386\"/></p>\n<p>或许从蒸馏大模型的点子中节约的算力,又会消耗到推理的过程中,说不准这就是AI算力中的能量守恒呢。</p>\n<p>DeepSeek让英伟达GPU卖得更好</p>\n<p>除了黄仁勋的激情论证,一个事实是,在这个高token消耗时代,英伟达的GPU的确卖得更猛了。</p>\n<p>彭博社报道,OpenAI 预计在“星际之门”首期计划中,建立一个可以容纳40万个英伟达的 AI 芯片的数据中心综合体。全部装满的话,这会是世界最大的AI算力集群之一。</p>\n<p><img border=\"0\" src=\"https://img.lanjinger.com/news/20250320/171230_zhsjakifylebn.jpeg\" width=\"1080\"/></p>\n<p>还有对算力推崇至极的马斯克,旗下的 xAI 已与<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/DELL\">戴尔</a>达成 50 亿美元协议,用于在孟菲斯建设超级计算机的 AI 服务器;Meta也宣布计划要拥有相当于 600,000 块英伟达 H100 芯片的算力。</p>\n<p>还有国内的阿里、小米、<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/00700\">腾讯</a>等公司,也将部署海量算力作为主要目标。这背后的显卡供应商,毫无疑问都主要来自英伟达。推理模型铺开后大公司们对计算卡、算力的热情丝毫不减,看来至少大公司们仍相信未来是算力的时代。</p>\n<p>在个人本地部署领域,DeepSeek R1也没有真正地减轻个人用户的算力负担。</p>\n<p>2月中,全网掀起了一阵本地部署DeepSeek R1蒸馏模型的热潮,但从个人的经验来看,想要得到较好的模型性能,对电脑配置,也就是算力的要求一点都不低。</p>\n<p>以RTX 4080 16GB显卡为例,拥有9728个CUDA核心,16GB GDDR6X的显存带宽为736 GB/s,在显卡中已经算高端。</p>\n<p>但用它在本地部署14B的DeepSeek R1蒸馏模型时,大部分的推理速度只有20-30 tokens/s,需要分析深度问题往往需要等待超过10分钟。</p>\n<p>如果更进一步用它来部署32B的蒸馏模型,推理速度会进一步下降到5-15 tokens/s,生成同样的回答,就需要等待超过30分钟。</p>\n<p>这样的效率显然是不行的。如果想要提高推理速度,有两个办法:</p>\n<p>选择更小参数的蒸馏模型部署,但推理的精度、答案的可靠性会明显下降;</p>\n<p>选择更高配置的硬件,比如RTX 5080/5090,用5090部署32B的蒸馏模型,推理速度也能达到50-60 tokens/s,效率明显提升,但又让老黄卖卡的计划通了。</p>\n<p>也许大多数人的算力条件,本地部署的大模型还不如直接打开腾讯元宝高效。</p>\n<p>因此,从DeepSeek R1引申出来的“蒸馏模型节省训练算力”已经被“推理模型消耗算力”抵消,这给了英伟达全新的机遇,可以说DeepSeek的出现为英伟达关上了一扇门,又打开了一扇窗。</p>\n<p>最终,我们不得不承认长远来看算力的需求还会不断增加,还是利好英伟达。虽说今年Blackwell Ultra挤牙膏,但后面几年的芯片架构都会有明显的算力提升。当各大厂的算力吃紧时,老黄的核弹们,又有大展拳脚的机会了。</p>\n<p>贩卖token焦虑?</p>\n<p>纵观GTC 2025,只要是涉及AI、GPU、算力的部分,老黄都离不开token,甚至有好事的媒体专门统计了他在会上提到“token”的次数,还怪幽默的。</p>\n<p>在新Scaling Law时代,token仿佛成了英伟达的救命稻草。虽然从逻辑上看老黄的观点说得通,但如此频繁地重复一种逻辑,就像我们在文章中连续写100次“token”,多少会有人觉得,英伟达有点歇斯底里。</p>\n<p>自农历新年以来,英伟达的市值已经跌去了将近30%,这次发布会的黄仁勋不再像一个技术大拿,不像是那个“全世界最聪明的科学家”、“全球最牛公司的CEO”,而像一个絮絮叨叨的金牌销售,通过贩卖token焦虑的方式,让大家坚信英伟达仍掌握着未来。</p>\n<p>不过投资者的信心不来自推销和布道,而来自产品。事实就是今年下半年面世的GB300确实没有太多亮点,画的大饼又比较遥远。反映到股价上,发布会结束后英伟达的股价依然下跌了3.4%。</p>\n<p>其实更令我哭笑不得的是价值3000美元的DGX Spark,根据官网披露的信息这款产品的128GB内存,带宽只有273GB/s。</p>\n<p><img border=\"0\" src=\"https://img.lanjinger.com/news/20250320/171230_wkpbxiolpqmak.jpeg\" width=\"1384\"/></p>\n<p>尽管老黄将它定义为“可用于本地部署”的AI电脑,但这性能真不敢恭维。不说满血版671B的DeepSeek R1,跑大部分32B的模型可能也只能实现2-5 tokens/s的输出效率。用它来跑传统的模型应该还不赖,但推理模型估计是很困难了。</p>\n<p>或许它存在的意义,停留在“让大家买更强的DGX Station”上罢了。只是如果你一直在贩卖token焦虑,最好能拿出更多能解决token焦虑的产品来。</p>\n<p>英伟达现在缺乏的不是技术和产品,在GPU领域一骑绝尘,第二名都看不到车尾灯;真正缺乏的,是对消费者的诚意。</p>\n<p><em>参考资料:</em></p>\n<p><em>APPSO 《刚刚,黄仁勋甩出三代核弹AI芯片!个人超算每秒运算1000万亿次,DeepSeek成最大赢家》</em></p>\n<p><em>第一财经 《凌晨,黄仁勋重大宣布!》</em></p>\n<p><em>图片来源:GTC March 2025 Keynote with NVIDIA CEO Jensen 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2025上意气风发。\n虽然最近英伟达的股票跌得比较狠,甚至来到了10年来的最低点,但这不影响老黄,对最新的GPU们信心满满。\n时间回拨到2月初,DeepSeek的发布在AI领域掀起巨浪。一个中国团队的产品,仅用了少量的低端GPU(以A100为主)蒸馏现有超大模型就实现了高端GPU(以H100为代表)才有的性能。\n高端GPU并非刚需,谁还成吨地采购你老黄的Hopper、Blackwell 核弹?过去在AI行业被奉为金科玉律的“Scaling Law”(规模定律),也就是“模型参数量、数据集、训练成本越多越好”的观念也被严重冲击。\n这几年谷歌、Meta、微软等互联网大厂成吨地采购H100芯片以维持规模,正是想以算力分胜负、定生死。现在根本不需要如此恐怖的规模,也能让大模型拥有媲美 OpenAI o1的性能。\n一时间,宣称DeepSeek能让英伟达走上末路的声音此起彼伏,特别是海外的社媒平台发酵最快、传播最凶。有X网友更坦言“英伟达的一切都将开始瓦解”,这段时间里英伟达的股票一天下跌13%、17%都成了常态。\n不过,也有另一种声音称,从长期来看DeepSeek的成功反而利好英伟达。\nDeepSeek揭示了可以通过“蒸馏现有超大模型”的方法训练性能出色的大模型,但只是不需要用到H100芯片这等性能怪兽而已,并非完全不依赖计算卡。A100计算卡,也是英伟达家的产品。\n玩家的门槛降低了,入场的玩家自然会越来越多,从市场总量来说,对算力的需求还是会上升的。英伟达又是全世界最大的卡贩子,总会卖出更多的计算卡。\n再说了要蒸馏现有的超大模型,也得先有性能出色的超大模型存在才行,到底还是需要H100这样的计算卡集群来训练超大模型,这似乎是个“先有鸡还是有蛋”的问题。\n只能说两种声音都有道理,不过大家最想知道的还是老黄本人的声音。\n这次GTC 2025,我们终于等到老黄的亲自回应。\n还是那个GPU霸主\n按照惯例,我们先来回顾一下这场光门票就要价1万美元的“科技盛宴”。\n简单来说,英伟达主要发布了四款芯片架构、两款AI电脑、一款AI训练底层软件和展示了具身机器人相关的进展,其他内容就不赘述了。\n· 4款AI芯片架构,分别是将在2025下半年发布的Blackwell Ultra、2026下半年发布的Vera Rubin、2027下半年发布的Vera Rubin Ultra,和2028年的Feynman。\n全新的超级芯片产品方面,基于Blackwell Ultra架构的GB300 NVL72芯片是上代最强芯片GB200的继任者,推理是GB200 NVL72的1.5倍,提升幅度不算大,甚至在大会上GB300的直接对比对象还是2年前的H100。\n\n从市场的反应来看大部分人对GB300不太买账,它没有上一代GB200的那种“横空出世”的惊喜感,要说最大的升级点,可能是HBMe内存提升至288GB,就是有点“苹果今年发布的新机是2TB版本的iPhone 16 Pro Max”的味道了。\n重头戏是英伟达未来的芯片架构规划,下代超级芯片Rubin NVL144,比GB300 NVL72 强了3.3倍;下下代的Rubin Ultra NVL576性能是GB300 NVL72的14倍,从画饼给出的性能来看,未来大概率还是会由英伟达掌握GPU算力王座。\n\n· 两款全新的AI电脑,分别是搭载了GB10 Grace Blackwell超级芯片的DGX Spark,每秒可提供高达 1000 万亿次 AI 运算;搭载了GB300 Grace Blackwell Ultra的DGX Station,可以提供每秒可提供高达2000 万亿次 AI 运算。目前DGX Spark已经开始预售,要价3000美元。\n· 开源软件NVIDIA Dyamo,可以简单理解为一款AI工厂(数据中心)的操作系统,英伟达说在NVIDIA Blackwell上使用Dynamo优化推理,能让DeepSeek-R1的吞吐量提升30倍。\n· 具身机器人的技术储备,包括机器人通用基础模型Isaac GR00T N1、一款配备了GR00T N1模型的机器人:Blue,和Google Mind、迪士尼合作的最新成果。\n\n从发布的产品来看,英伟达还是那个GPU领域的霸主,甚至领导地位已经开始向AI拓展。它们不仅将产品技术路线图更新至一年一更,未来三年的产品堪称“超级大饼”,围绕AI相关的软件建设也在飞速推进,NVIDIA Dyamo很可能会是未来数据中心的标配。\n对于DeepSeek的冲击,英伟达似乎也有了解决的办法。\n进入“token时代”\n终于,黄仁勋首次在公开场合,正面回应了DeepSeek诞生以来对公司造成的冲击。\n首先他把DeepSeek从头到脚吹了一遍,说DeepSeek R1模型是“卓越的创新”和“世界级的开源推理模型”,而且他淡定地表示,不理解为什么大家会把DeepSeek当成英伟达的末日。\n至于因DeepSeek而起的关于Scaling Law撞墙的讨论,老黄在会上给出了自己的理解。\n首先,他在大会上对Scaling Law进行了一次迭代更新:\n\n现在他将Scaling Law细化为PRE-TRAINING SCALING、POST-TRAINING SCALING、TEST-TIME SCALING三个部分。老黄的意思是,随着AI进入到不同阶段,对Scaling的需求是不断提高的。\n这里要提一下,老黄认为AI的发展分为四个阶段:感知人工智能(Perception AI)、生成式人工智能(Generative AI)、代理人工智能(Agentic AI)和未来的物理 AI(Physical AI)。而现在我们正处于代理人工智能阶段。\n\n现阶段由于推理模型、AI代理的爆发,实际上更加需要Scaling,更加需要算力。\n其背后的关键是token。\n以推理模型为例子,模型进行推理时,token的消耗猛涨。用老黄的话,我们不仅需要让token的吞吐量提升十倍,还需要过去10倍的算力来提升token的输出速度,最终,需要的算力是之前的100倍。\n从技术上来说,这不无道理。相比传统的生成式模型,比如ChatGPT,我们观察到它没有列举推理步骤。输入问题 → 提供答案,没中间商差价,答案所呈现的就是最终消耗的token数。\n而拥有思维链的推理式模型,比如大家熟知的DeepSeek R1,会有一连串的推理过程,有些时候可能推理过程的字数比答案还要多。\nR1模型能够实现推理,是因为会将输出的token返回上级重新思考、推理,正如比喻大师老黄所说的“每个token都会自我怀疑”,在不断的怀疑-论证中,形成了推理的过程。但这也会更多地消耗算力和token,推理模型要比传统生成式模型多消耗的token不是2倍,而是20倍。\n所以,我们用推理模型时,一大串的思考、推理过程要在前台展示出来,不仅因为用户可以从大模型的推理过程介入修正答案,还因为它们不是白送的,不是免费的,而是在消耗一个个token,都是真金白银,花了钱的地方肯定得让你看到。\n而且市面上的推理模型越来越多,更多的传统模型也陆续开始加入推理过程,比如谷歌的Gemini,最终token的消耗会呈指数级增长。\n这就是老黄坚信Scaling Law没有失效的底气。在会上,老黄用传统模型Llama 3.3 70B与DeepSeek R1 671B进行了对比,统一回答一个复杂问题。最终前者消耗了400多个token但结果不可用,后者的结果堪称完美,但足足消耗了8559个token。\n\n或许从蒸馏大模型的点子中节约的算力,又会消耗到推理的过程中,说不准这就是AI算力中的能量守恒呢。\nDeepSeek让英伟达GPU卖得更好\n除了黄仁勋的激情论证,一个事实是,在这个高token消耗时代,英伟达的GPU的确卖得更猛了。\n彭博社报道,OpenAI 预计在“星际之门”首期计划中,建立一个可以容纳40万个英伟达的 AI 芯片的数据中心综合体。全部装满的话,这会是世界最大的AI算力集群之一。\n\n还有对算力推崇至极的马斯克,旗下的 xAI 已与戴尔达成 50 亿美元协议,用于在孟菲斯建设超级计算机的 AI 服务器;Meta也宣布计划要拥有相当于 600,000 块英伟达 H100 芯片的算力。\n还有国内的阿里、小米、腾讯等公司,也将部署海量算力作为主要目标。这背后的显卡供应商,毫无疑问都主要来自英伟达。推理模型铺开后大公司们对计算卡、算力的热情丝毫不减,看来至少大公司们仍相信未来是算力的时代。\n在个人本地部署领域,DeepSeek R1也没有真正地减轻个人用户的算力负担。\n2月中,全网掀起了一阵本地部署DeepSeek 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width=\"1080\"/></p>\n<p>从发布的产品来看,英伟达还是那个GPU领域的霸主,甚至领导地位已经开始向AI拓展。它们不仅将产品技术路线图更新至一年一更,未来三年的产品堪称“超级大饼”,围绕AI相关的软件建设也在飞速推进,NVIDIA Dyamo很可能会是未来数据中心的标配。</p>\n<p>对于DeepSeek的冲击,英伟达似乎也有了解决的办法。</p>\n<p>进入“token时代”</p>\n<p>终于,黄仁勋首次在公开场合,正面回应了DeepSeek诞生以来对公司造成的冲击。</p>\n<p>首先他把DeepSeek从头到脚吹了一遍,说DeepSeek R1模型是“卓越的创新”和“世界级的开源推理模型”,而且他淡定地表示,不理解为什么大家会把DeepSeek当成英伟达的末日。</p>\n<p>至于因DeepSeek而起的关于Scaling Law撞墙的讨论,老黄在会上给出了自己的理解。</p>\n<p>首先,他在大会上对Scaling Law进行了一次迭代更新:</p>\n<p><img border=\"0\" src=\"https://img.lanjinger.com/news/20250320/171230_uutskutcccuzb.jpeg\" width=\"1386\"/></p>\n<p>现在他将Scaling Law细化为PRE-TRAINING SCALING、POST-TRAINING SCALING、TEST-TIME SCALING三个部分。老黄的意思是,随着AI进入到不同阶段,对Scaling的需求是不断提高的。</p>\n<p>这里要提一下,老黄认为AI的发展分为四个阶段:感知人工智能(Perception AI)、生成式人工智能(Generative AI)、代理人工智能(Agentic AI)和未来的物理 AI(Physical AI)。而现在我们正处于代理人工智能阶段。</p>\n<p><img border=\"0\" src=\"https://img.lanjinger.com/news/20250320/171230_pcnlehoggsdoh.jpeg\" width=\"1186\"/></p>\n<p>现阶段由于推理模型、AI代理的爆发,实际上更加需要Scaling,更加需要算力。</p>\n<p>其背后的关键是token。</p>\n<p>以推理模型为例子,模型进行推理时,token的消耗猛涨。用老黄的话,我们不仅需要让token的吞吐量提升十倍,还需要过去10倍的算力来提升token的输出速度,最终,需要的算力是之前的100倍。</p>\n<p>从技术上来说,这不无道理。相比传统的生成式模型,比如ChatGPT,我们观察到它没有列举推理步骤。输入问题 → 提供答案,没中间商差价,答案所呈现的就是最终消耗的token数。</p>\n<p>而拥有思维链的推理式模型,比如大家熟知的DeepSeek R1,会有一连串的推理过程,有些时候可能推理过程的字数比答案还要多。</p>\n<p>R1模型能够实现推理,是因为会将输出的token返回上级重新思考、推理,正如比喻大师老黄所说的“每个token都会自我怀疑”,在不断的怀疑-论证中,形成了推理的过程。但这也会更多地消耗算力和token,推理模型要比传统生成式模型多消耗的token不是2倍,而是20倍。</p>\n<p>所以,我们用推理模型时,一大串的思考、推理过程要在前台展示出来,不仅因为用户可以从大模型的推理过程介入修正答案,还因为它们不是白送的,不是免费的,而是在消耗一个个token,都是真金白银,花了钱的地方肯定得让你看到。</p>\n<p>而且市面上的推理模型越来越多,更多的传统模型也陆续开始加入推理过程,比如谷歌的Gemini,最终token的消耗会呈指数级增长。</p>\n<p>这就是老黄坚信Scaling Law没有失效的底气。在会上,老黄用传统模型Llama 3.3 70B与DeepSeek R1 671B进行了对比,统一回答一个复杂问题。最终前者消耗了400多个token但结果不可用,后者的结果堪称完美,但足足消耗了8559个token。</p>\n<p><img border=\"0\" src=\"https://img.lanjinger.com/news/20250320/171230_idejzifortjay.jpeg\" width=\"1386\"/></p>\n<p>或许从蒸馏大模型的点子中节约的算力,又会消耗到推理的过程中,说不准这就是AI算力中的能量守恒呢。</p>\n<p>DeepSeek让英伟达GPU卖得更好</p>\n<p>除了黄仁勋的激情论证,一个事实是,在这个高token消耗时代,英伟达的GPU的确卖得更猛了。</p>\n<p>彭博社报道,OpenAI 预计在“星际之门”首期计划中,建立一个可以容纳40万个英伟达的 AI 芯片的数据中心综合体。全部装满的话,这会是世界最大的AI算力集群之一。</p>\n<p><img border=\"0\" src=\"https://img.lanjinger.com/news/20250320/171230_zhsjakifylebn.jpeg\" width=\"1080\"/></p>\n<p>还有对算力推崇至极的马斯克,旗下的 xAI 已与<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/DELL\">戴尔</a>达成 50 亿美元协议,用于在孟菲斯建设超级计算机的 AI 服务器;Meta也宣布计划要拥有相当于 600,000 块英伟达 H100 芯片的算力。</p>\n<p>还有国内的阿里、小米、<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/00700\">腾讯</a>等公司,也将部署海量算力作为主要目标。这背后的显卡供应商,毫无疑问都主要来自英伟达。推理模型铺开后大公司们对计算卡、算力的热情丝毫不减,看来至少大公司们仍相信未来是算力的时代。</p>\n<p>在个人本地部署领域,DeepSeek R1也没有真正地减轻个人用户的算力负担。</p>\n<p>2月中,全网掀起了一阵本地部署DeepSeek R1蒸馏模型的热潮,但从个人的经验来看,想要得到较好的模型性能,对电脑配置,也就是算力的要求一点都不低。</p>\n<p>以RTX 4080 16GB显卡为例,拥有9728个CUDA核心,16GB GDDR6X的显存带宽为736 GB/s,在显卡中已经算高端。</p>\n<p>但用它在本地部署14B的DeepSeek R1蒸馏模型时,大部分的推理速度只有20-30 tokens/s,需要分析深度问题往往需要等待超过10分钟。</p>\n<p>如果更进一步用它来部署32B的蒸馏模型,推理速度会进一步下降到5-15 tokens/s,生成同样的回答,就需要等待超过30分钟。</p>\n<p>这样的效率显然是不行的。如果想要提高推理速度,有两个办法:</p>\n<p>选择更小参数的蒸馏模型部署,但推理的精度、答案的可靠性会明显下降;</p>\n<p>选择更高配置的硬件,比如RTX 5080/5090,用5090部署32B的蒸馏模型,推理速度也能达到50-60 tokens/s,效率明显提升,但又让老黄卖卡的计划通了。</p>\n<p>也许大多数人的算力条件,本地部署的大模型还不如直接打开腾讯元宝高效。</p>\n<p>因此,从DeepSeek R1引申出来的“蒸馏模型节省训练算力”已经被“推理模型消耗算力”抵消,这给了英伟达全新的机遇,可以说DeepSeek的出现为英伟达关上了一扇门,又打开了一扇窗。</p>\n<p>最终,我们不得不承认长远来看算力的需求还会不断增加,还是利好英伟达。虽说今年Blackwell Ultra挤牙膏,但后面几年的芯片架构都会有明显的算力提升。当各大厂的算力吃紧时,老黄的核弹们,又有大展拳脚的机会了。</p>\n<p>贩卖token焦虑?</p>\n<p>纵观GTC 2025,只要是涉及AI、GPU、算力的部分,老黄都离不开token,甚至有好事的媒体专门统计了他在会上提到“token”的次数,还怪幽默的。</p>\n<p>在新Scaling Law时代,token仿佛成了英伟达的救命稻草。虽然从逻辑上看老黄的观点说得通,但如此频繁地重复一种逻辑,就像我们在文章中连续写100次“token”,多少会有人觉得,英伟达有点歇斯底里。</p>\n<p>自农历新年以来,英伟达的市值已经跌去了将近30%,这次发布会的黄仁勋不再像一个技术大拿,不像是那个“全世界最聪明的科学家”、“全球最牛公司的CEO”,而像一个絮絮叨叨的金牌销售,通过贩卖token焦虑的方式,让大家坚信英伟达仍掌握着未来。</p>\n<p>不过投资者的信心不来自推销和布道,而来自产品。事实就是今年下半年面世的GB300确实没有太多亮点,画的大饼又比较遥远。反映到股价上,发布会结束后英伟达的股价依然下跌了3.4%。</p>\n<p>其实更令我哭笑不得的是价值3000美元的DGX Spark,根据官网披露的信息这款产品的128GB内存,带宽只有273GB/s。</p>\n<p><img border=\"0\" src=\"https://img.lanjinger.com/news/20250320/171230_wkpbxiolpqmak.jpeg\" width=\"1384\"/></p>\n<p>尽管老黄将它定义为“可用于本地部署”的AI电脑,但这性能真不敢恭维。不说满血版671B的DeepSeek R1,跑大部分32B的模型可能也只能实现2-5 tokens/s的输出效率。用它来跑传统的模型应该还不赖,但推理模型估计是很困难了。</p>\n<p>或许它存在的意义,停留在“让大家买更强的DGX Station”上罢了。只是如果你一直在贩卖token焦虑,最好能拿出更多能解决token焦虑的产品来。</p>\n<p>英伟达现在缺乏的不是技术和产品,在GPU领域一骑绝尘,第二名都看不到车尾灯;真正缺乏的,是对消费者的诚意。</p>\n<p><em>参考资料:</em></p>\n<p><em>APPSO 《刚刚,黄仁勋甩出三代核弹AI芯片!个人超算每秒运算1000万亿次,DeepSeek成最大赢家》</em></p>\n<p><em>第一财经 《凌晨,黄仁勋重大宣布!》</em></p>\n<p><em>图片来源:GTC March 2025 Keynote with NVIDIA CEO Jensen 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2025上意气风发。\n虽然最近英伟达的股票跌得比较狠,甚至来到了10年来的最低点,但这不影响老黄,对最新的GPU们信心满满。\n时间回拨到2月初,DeepSeek的发布在AI领域掀起巨浪。一个中国团队的产品,仅用了少量的低端GPU(以A100为主)蒸馏现有超大模型就实现了高端GPU(以H100为代表)才有的性能。\n高端GPU并非刚需,谁还成吨地采购你老黄的Hopper、Blackwell 核弹?过去在AI行业被奉为金科玉律的“Scaling Law”(规模定律),也就是“模型参数量、数据集、训练成本越多越好”的观念也被严重冲击。\n这几年谷歌、Meta、微软等互联网大厂成吨地采购H100芯片以维持规模,正是想以算力分胜负、定生死。现在根本不需要如此恐怖的规模,也能让大模型拥有媲美 OpenAI o1的性能。\n一时间,宣称DeepSeek能让英伟达走上末路的声音此起彼伏,特别是海外的社媒平台发酵最快、传播最凶。有X网友更坦言“英伟达的一切都将开始瓦解”,这段时间里英伟达的股票一天下跌13%、17%都成了常态。\n不过,也有另一种声音称,从长期来看DeepSeek的成功反而利好英伟达。\nDeepSeek揭示了可以通过“蒸馏现有超大模型”的方法训练性能出色的大模型,但只是不需要用到H100芯片这等性能怪兽而已,并非完全不依赖计算卡。A100计算卡,也是英伟达家的产品。\n玩家的门槛降低了,入场的玩家自然会越来越多,从市场总量来说,对算力的需求还是会上升的。英伟达又是全世界最大的卡贩子,总会卖出更多的计算卡。\n再说了要蒸馏现有的超大模型,也得先有性能出色的超大模型存在才行,到底还是需要H100这样的计算卡集群来训练超大模型,这似乎是个“先有鸡还是有蛋”的问题。\n只能说两种声音都有道理,不过大家最想知道的还是老黄本人的声音。\n这次GTC 2025,我们终于等到老黄的亲自回应。\n还是那个GPU霸主\n按照惯例,我们先来回顾一下这场光门票就要价1万美元的“科技盛宴”。\n简单来说,英伟达主要发布了四款芯片架构、两款AI电脑、一款AI训练底层软件和展示了具身机器人相关的进展,其他内容就不赘述了。\n· 4款AI芯片架构,分别是将在2025下半年发布的Blackwell Ultra、2026下半年发布的Vera Rubin、2027下半年发布的Vera Rubin Ultra,和2028年的Feynman。\n全新的超级芯片产品方面,基于Blackwell Ultra架构的GB300 NVL72芯片是上代最强芯片GB200的继任者,推理是GB200 NVL72的1.5倍,提升幅度不算大,甚至在大会上GB300的直接对比对象还是2年前的H100。\n\n从市场的反应来看大部分人对GB300不太买账,它没有上一代GB200的那种“横空出世”的惊喜感,要说最大的升级点,可能是HBMe内存提升至288GB,就是有点“苹果今年发布的新机是2TB版本的iPhone 16 Pro Max”的味道了。\n重头戏是英伟达未来的芯片架构规划,下代超级芯片Rubin NVL144,比GB300 NVL72 强了3.3倍;下下代的Rubin Ultra NVL576性能是GB300 NVL72的14倍,从画饼给出的性能来看,未来大概率还是会由英伟达掌握GPU算力王座。\n\n· 两款全新的AI电脑,分别是搭载了GB10 Grace Blackwell超级芯片的DGX Spark,每秒可提供高达 1000 万亿次 AI 运算;搭载了GB300 Grace Blackwell Ultra的DGX Station,可以提供每秒可提供高达2000 万亿次 AI 运算。目前DGX Spark已经开始预售,要价3000美元。\n· 开源软件NVIDIA Dyamo,可以简单理解为一款AI工厂(数据中心)的操作系统,英伟达说在NVIDIA Blackwell上使用Dynamo优化推理,能让DeepSeek-R1的吞吐量提升30倍。\n· 具身机器人的技术储备,包括机器人通用基础模型Isaac GR00T N1、一款配备了GR00T N1模型的机器人:Blue,和Google Mind、迪士尼合作的最新成果。\n\n从发布的产品来看,英伟达还是那个GPU领域的霸主,甚至领导地位已经开始向AI拓展。它们不仅将产品技术路线图更新至一年一更,未来三年的产品堪称“超级大饼”,围绕AI相关的软件建设也在飞速推进,NVIDIA Dyamo很可能会是未来数据中心的标配。\n对于DeepSeek的冲击,英伟达似乎也有了解决的办法。\n进入“token时代”\n终于,黄仁勋首次在公开场合,正面回应了DeepSeek诞生以来对公司造成的冲击。\n首先他把DeepSeek从头到脚吹了一遍,说DeepSeek R1模型是“卓越的创新”和“世界级的开源推理模型”,而且他淡定地表示,不理解为什么大家会把DeepSeek当成英伟达的末日。\n至于因DeepSeek而起的关于Scaling Law撞墙的讨论,老黄在会上给出了自己的理解。\n首先,他在大会上对Scaling Law进行了一次迭代更新:\n\n现在他将Scaling Law细化为PRE-TRAINING SCALING、POST-TRAINING SCALING、TEST-TIME SCALING三个部分。老黄的意思是,随着AI进入到不同阶段,对Scaling的需求是不断提高的。\n这里要提一下,老黄认为AI的发展分为四个阶段:感知人工智能(Perception AI)、生成式人工智能(Generative AI)、代理人工智能(Agentic AI)和未来的物理 AI(Physical AI)。而现在我们正处于代理人工智能阶段。\n\n现阶段由于推理模型、AI代理的爆发,实际上更加需要Scaling,更加需要算力。\n其背后的关键是token。\n以推理模型为例子,模型进行推理时,token的消耗猛涨。用老黄的话,我们不仅需要让token的吞吐量提升十倍,还需要过去10倍的算力来提升token的输出速度,最终,需要的算力是之前的100倍。\n从技术上来说,这不无道理。相比传统的生成式模型,比如ChatGPT,我们观察到它没有列举推理步骤。输入问题 → 提供答案,没中间商差价,答案所呈现的就是最终消耗的token数。\n而拥有思维链的推理式模型,比如大家熟知的DeepSeek R1,会有一连串的推理过程,有些时候可能推理过程的字数比答案还要多。\nR1模型能够实现推理,是因为会将输出的token返回上级重新思考、推理,正如比喻大师老黄所说的“每个token都会自我怀疑”,在不断的怀疑-论证中,形成了推理的过程。但这也会更多地消耗算力和token,推理模型要比传统生成式模型多消耗的token不是2倍,而是20倍。\n所以,我们用推理模型时,一大串的思考、推理过程要在前台展示出来,不仅因为用户可以从大模型的推理过程介入修正答案,还因为它们不是白送的,不是免费的,而是在消耗一个个token,都是真金白银,花了钱的地方肯定得让你看到。\n而且市面上的推理模型越来越多,更多的传统模型也陆续开始加入推理过程,比如谷歌的Gemini,最终token的消耗会呈指数级增长。\n这就是老黄坚信Scaling Law没有失效的底气。在会上,老黄用传统模型Llama 3.3 70B与DeepSeek R1 671B进行了对比,统一回答一个复杂问题。最终前者消耗了400多个token但结果不可用,后者的结果堪称完美,但足足消耗了8559个token。\n\n或许从蒸馏大模型的点子中节约的算力,又会消耗到推理的过程中,说不准这就是AI算力中的能量守恒呢。\nDeepSeek让英伟达GPU卖得更好\n除了黄仁勋的激情论证,一个事实是,在这个高token消耗时代,英伟达的GPU的确卖得更猛了。\n彭博社报道,OpenAI 预计在“星际之门”首期计划中,建立一个可以容纳40万个英伟达的 AI 芯片的数据中心综合体。全部装满的话,这会是世界最大的AI算力集群之一。\n\n还有对算力推崇至极的马斯克,旗下的 xAI 已与戴尔达成 50 亿美元协议,用于在孟菲斯建设超级计算机的 AI 服务器;Meta也宣布计划要拥有相当于 600,000 块英伟达 H100 芯片的算力。\n还有国内的阿里、小米、腾讯等公司,也将部署海量算力作为主要目标。这背后的显卡供应商,毫无疑问都主要来自英伟达。推理模型铺开后大公司们对计算卡、算力的热情丝毫不减,看来至少大公司们仍相信未来是算力的时代。\n在个人本地部署领域,DeepSeek R1也没有真正地减轻个人用户的算力负担。\n2月中,全网掀起了一阵本地部署DeepSeek R1蒸馏模型的热潮,但从个人的经验来看,想要得到较好的模型性能,对电脑配置,也就是算力的要求一点都不低。\n以RTX 4080 16GB显卡为例,拥有9728个CUDA核心,16GB GDDR6X的显存带宽为736 GB/s,在显卡中已经算高端。\n但用它在本地部署14B的DeepSeek R1蒸馏模型时,大部分的推理速度只有20-30 tokens/s,需要分析深度问题往往需要等待超过10分钟。\n如果更进一步用它来部署32B的蒸馏模型,推理速度会进一步下降到5-15 tokens/s,生成同样的回答,就需要等待超过30分钟。\n这样的效率显然是不行的。如果想要提高推理速度,有两个办法:\n选择更小参数的蒸馏模型部署,但推理的精度、答案的可靠性会明显下降;\n选择更高配置的硬件,比如RTX 5080/5090,用5090部署32B的蒸馏模型,推理速度也能达到50-60 tokens/s,效率明显提升,但又让老黄卖卡的计划通了。\n也许大多数人的算力条件,本地部署的大模型还不如直接打开腾讯元宝高效。\n因此,从DeepSeek R1引申出来的“蒸馏模型节省训练算力”已经被“推理模型消耗算力”抵消,这给了英伟达全新的机遇,可以说DeepSeek的出现为英伟达关上了一扇门,又打开了一扇窗。\n最终,我们不得不承认长远来看算力的需求还会不断增加,还是利好英伟达。虽说今年Blackwell Ultra挤牙膏,但后面几年的芯片架构都会有明显的算力提升。当各大厂的算力吃紧时,老黄的核弹们,又有大展拳脚的机会了。\n贩卖token焦虑?\n纵观GTC 2025,只要是涉及AI、GPU、算力的部分,老黄都离不开token,甚至有好事的媒体专门统计了他在会上提到“token”的次数,还怪幽默的。\n在新Scaling Law时代,token仿佛成了英伟达的救命稻草。虽然从逻辑上看老黄的观点说得通,但如此频繁地重复一种逻辑,就像我们在文章中连续写100次“token”,多少会有人觉得,英伟达有点歇斯底里。\n自农历新年以来,英伟达的市值已经跌去了将近30%,这次发布会的黄仁勋不再像一个技术大拿,不像是那个“全世界最聪明的科学家”、“全球最牛公司的CEO”,而像一个絮絮叨叨的金牌销售,通过贩卖token焦虑的方式,让大家坚信英伟达仍掌握着未来。\n不过投资者的信心不来自推销和布道,而来自产品。事实就是今年下半年面世的GB300确实没有太多亮点,画的大饼又比较遥远。反映到股价上,发布会结束后英伟达的股价依然下跌了3.4%。\n其实更令我哭笑不得的是价值3000美元的DGX Spark,根据官网披露的信息这款产品的128GB内存,带宽只有273GB/s。\n\n尽管老黄将它定义为“可用于本地部署”的AI电脑,但这性能真不敢恭维。不说满血版671B的DeepSeek R1,跑大部分32B的模型可能也只能实现2-5 tokens/s的输出效率。用它来跑传统的模型应该还不赖,但推理模型估计是很困难了。\n或许它存在的意义,停留在“让大家买更强的DGX Station”上罢了。只是如果你一直在贩卖token焦虑,最好能拿出更多能解决token焦虑的产品来。\n英伟达现在缺乏的不是技术和产品,在GPU领域一骑绝尘,第二名都看不到车尾灯;真正缺乏的,是对消费者的诚意。\n参考资料:\nAPPSO 《刚刚,黄仁勋甩出三代核弹AI芯片!个人超算每秒运算1000万亿次,DeepSeek成最大赢家》\n第一财经 《凌晨,黄仁勋重大宣布!》\n图片来源:GTC March 2025 Keynote with NVIDIA CEO Jensen 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