Uber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits

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Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little ...

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Uber&nbsp;reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected&nbsp;for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.<blockquote>当这两家网约车公司本周公布财报时，由于大幅削减成本，Lyft成功展示了积极的调整后Ebitda业绩，这是一个长期目标。优步公布的第二季度调整后净亏损比华尔街预期的要大，同时仍承诺在年底前在其资产负债表上显示绿色，而且在调整后的Ebitda基础上也显示绿色。</blockquote> While both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.<blockquote>虽然两家公司继续告诉投资者，实现这一目标表明了“盈利能力”，但事实肯定并非如此——网约车公司继续证明他们的业务没有盈利，而且很可能不会像目前那样构建。两家公司都通过最近的业绩证明了其昂贵的问题，尽管他们继续努力将司机作为独立承包商留在世界各地，以避免不断增加的员工成本。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million&nbsp;to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.<blockquote>随着COVID-19 Delta变种的传播，Uber和Lyft最近一直在大力投资以吸引更多司机。4月初，Uber公布了一项计划，斥资2.5亿美元，通过向司机发放奖金来吸引他们重返平台，因为疫情似乎开始缓解。Lyft在电话会议中表示，该公司在激励措施上花费了3.75亿美元，并将其归类为“反向收入”，预计第三季度“反向收入”将超过3.76亿美元。</blockquote> “No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”<blockquote>当被问及达美航空对网约车业务的影响时，Uber首席执行官达拉·科斯罗萨西(Dara Khosrowshahi)告诉分析师：“没有人能够预测达美航空未来会发生什么。”“但到目前为止，我们已经进行了对冲，而且我们看到的趋势相当不错。”</blockquote> Uber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday&nbsp;over investor jitters about its outlook.<blockquote>Uber通过其Uber Eats优食业务进行了对冲，该业务在疫情期间向消费者提供餐厅餐食的业务出现了大幅增长，而乘车业务则放缓，但该业务也尚未显示出盈利能力。Lyft没有如此庞大的额外业务，由于投资者对其前景感到不安，其股价在周二公布财报后暴跌。</blockquote> These types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of&nbsp;California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.<blockquote>一旦疫情平静下来，这些类型的成本不会消失。例如，加利福尼亚州将要求到2030年几乎所有拼车车辆都是电动的，这就提出了一个巨大的问题：谁将为这一转变买单，因为司机拥有自己的汽车。联邦政府正在关注零工经济的做法，并可能迫使做出增加成本的改变，而优步和Lyft则吹捧“第三条道路”，他们在加州证明这也需要更高的成本。</blockquote> It would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs&nbsp;and&nbsp;Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.<blockquote>这些公司能够展示任何利润数据的唯一方法，无论与实际净利润有多远，似乎就是削减。去年，在疫情最严重的时候，两家公司都裁员，作为削减成本的一部分。Uber裁员约6,700人，Lyft解雇了1,000名员工，另外288人暂时休假。Uber还一直在削减亏损业务，例如剥离其自动驾驶部门。</blockquote> Uber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after&nbsp;an initial public offering that valued Didi highly&nbsp;but before&nbsp;actions by China took the shares down&nbsp;more than 50%.<blockquote>优步实际上在周四公布了其作为上市公司的第二季度GAAP盈利能力，这是第二次，因为其对中国竞争对手滴滴出行的投资获得了账面收益。这项投资为资产负债表增加了高达14亿美元的资金，因为Uber于6月30日对其进行了估值，就在首次公开募股对滴滴进行了高估值之后，但在中国采取行动导致其股价下跌超过50%之前。</blockquote> No matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.<blockquote>无论这些公司记录了多少账面收益或削减了多少开支——并预计Uber将在其必须证明的第四季度业绩之前宣布更多——或者他们试图将成本（包括汽车所有权）推给临时工，Lyft和Uber都没有看起来更接近实际的GAAP盈利能力。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.<blockquote>Uber和Lyft的股票都有折扣，均低于各自2019年首次公开募股的价格：Uber更接近其45美元的IPO价格，周四收于43.07美元，而Lyft的交易价格比其IPO价格低约33%。</blockquote> After two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.<blockquote>两年多来，优步和Lyft都通过为消费者提供受欢迎的服务获得了数十亿美元的收入，人们可能会认为优步和Lyft可能更接近实际盈利能力。较低的股价为投资者提供了潜在的买入机会，但如果你这样做了，也不要指望很快就能看到实际利润。</blockquote>","source":"lsy1603348471595","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Uber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits<blockquote>优步和Lyft正在上演一场荒谬的虚假利润竞赛</blockquote></title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 12.5px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nUber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits<blockquote>优步和Lyft正在上演一场荒谬的虚假利润竞赛</blockquote>\n</h2>\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\nMarketWatch2021-08-06 09:44\n\n</h4>\n</header>\n<article>\nLyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little hope of turning an actual profit anytime soon<blockquote>Lyft终于在第二季度显示出正的调整后Ebitda，而Uber则承诺在年底前实现这一目标，但这些都不值得欢呼，因为公司继续经营业务，短期内实现实际利润的希望渺茫</blockquote> <img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c1ac2b3a2871ea61cbb1975f552e20e5\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"466\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\">It appears that the only way Uber and Lyft will be able to show any actual profit figure is to cut.<blockquote>看来优步和Lyft能够显示任何实际利润数字的唯一方法就是削减利润。</blockquote> Uber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are racing to prove to investors that they can be “profitable,” so expect even more cuts and made-up metrics on the road ahead.<blockquote>优步科技公司和Lyft公司正在竞相向投资者证明他们可以“盈利”，因此预计未来的道路上将出现更多削减和虚构指标。</blockquote> When the two ride-hailing companies reported earnings this week, Lyft&nbsp;managed to show positive adjusted Ebitda results, a longstanding goal, thanks to immense cost-cutting. Uber&nbsp;reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected&nbsp;for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.<blockquote>当这两家网约车公司本周公布财报时，由于大幅削减成本，Lyft成功展示了积极的调整后Ebitda业绩，这是一个长期目标。优步公布的第二季度调整后净亏损比华尔街预期的要大，同时仍承诺在年底前在其资产负债表上显示绿色，而且在调整后的Ebitda基础上也显示绿色。</blockquote> While both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.<blockquote>虽然两家公司继续告诉投资者，实现这一目标表明了“盈利能力”，但事实肯定并非如此——网约车公司继续证明他们的业务没有盈利，而且很可能不会像目前那样构建。两家公司都通过最近的业绩证明了其昂贵的问题，尽管他们继续努力将司机作为独立承包商留在世界各地，以避免不断增加的员工成本。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million&nbsp;to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.<blockquote>随着COVID-19 Delta变种的传播，Uber和Lyft最近一直在大力投资以吸引更多司机。4月初，Uber公布了一项计划，斥资2.5亿美元，通过向司机发放奖金来吸引他们重返平台，因为疫情似乎开始缓解。Lyft在电话会议中表示，该公司在激励措施上花费了3.75亿美元，并将其归类为“反向收入”，预计第三季度“反向收入”将超过3.76亿美元。</blockquote> “No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”<blockquote>当被问及达美航空对网约车业务的影响时，Uber首席执行官达拉·科斯罗萨西(Dara Khosrowshahi)告诉分析师：“没有人能够预测达美航空未来会发生什么。”“但到目前为止，我们已经进行了对冲，而且我们看到的趋势相当不错。”</blockquote> Uber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday&nbsp;over investor jitters about its outlook.<blockquote>Uber通过其Uber Eats优食业务进行了对冲，该业务在疫情期间向消费者提供餐厅餐食的业务出现了大幅增长，而乘车业务则放缓，但该业务也尚未显示出盈利能力。Lyft没有如此庞大的额外业务，由于投资者对其前景感到不安，其股价在周二公布财报后暴跌。</blockquote> These types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of&nbsp;California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.<blockquote>一旦疫情平静下来，这些类型的成本不会消失。例如，加利福尼亚州将要求到2030年几乎所有拼车车辆都是电动的，这就提出了一个巨大的问题：谁将为这一转变买单，因为司机拥有自己的汽车。联邦政府正在关注零工经济的做法，并可能迫使做出增加成本的改变，而优步和Lyft则吹捧“第三条道路”，他们在加州证明这也需要更高的成本。</blockquote> It would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs&nbsp;and&nbsp;Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.<blockquote>这些公司能够展示任何利润数据的唯一方法，无论与实际净利润有多远，似乎就是削减。去年，在疫情最严重的时候，两家公司都裁员，作为削减成本的一部分。Uber裁员约6,700人，Lyft解雇了1,000名员工，另外288人暂时休假。Uber还一直在削减亏损业务，例如剥离其自动驾驶部门。</blockquote> Uber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after&nbsp;an initial public offering that valued Didi highly&nbsp;but before&nbsp;actions by China took the shares down&nbsp;more than 50%.<blockquote>优步实际上在周四公布了其作为上市公司的第二季度GAAP盈利能力，这是第二次，因为其对中国竞争对手滴滴出行的投资获得了账面收益。这项投资为资产负债表增加了高达14亿美元的资金，因为Uber于6月30日对其进行了估值，就在首次公开募股对滴滴进行了高估值之后，但在中国采取行动导致其股价下跌超过50%之前。</blockquote> No matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.<blockquote>无论这些公司记录了多少账面收益或削减了多少开支——并预计Uber将在其必须证明的第四季度业绩之前宣布更多——或者他们试图将成本（包括汽车所有权）推给临时工，Lyft和Uber都没有看起来更接近实际的GAAP盈利能力。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.<blockquote>Uber和Lyft的股票都有折扣，均低于各自2019年首次公开募股的价格：Uber更接近其45美元的IPO价格，周四收于43.07美元，而Lyft的交易价格比其IPO价格低约33%。</blockquote> After two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.<blockquote>两年多来，优步和Lyft都通过为消费者提供受欢迎的服务获得了数十亿美元的收入，人们可能会认为优步和Lyft可能更接近实际盈利能力。较低的股价为投资者提供了潜在的买入机会，但如果你这样做了，也不要指望很快就能看到实际利润。</blockquote>\n<div class=\"bt-text\">\n\n\n 来源：<a href=\"https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uber-and-lyft-are-staging-a-ridiculous-race-for-fake-profits-11628205337?mod=home-page\">MarketWatch</a>\n为提升您的阅读体验，我们对本页面进行了排版优化\n\n\n</div>\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"LYFT":"Lyft, Inc.","UBER":"优步"},"source_url":"https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uber-and-lyft-are-staging-a-ridiculous-race-for-fake-profits-11628205337?mod=home-page","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1135807500","content_text":"Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little hope of turning an actual profit anytime soon\nIt appears that the only way Uber and Lyft will be able to show any actual profit figure is to cut.\nUber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are racing to prove to investors that they can be “profitable,” so expect even more cuts and made-up metrics on the road ahead.\nWhen the two ride-hailing companies reported earnings this week, Lyft managed to show positive adjusted Ebitda results, a longstanding goal, thanks to immense cost-cutting. Uber reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.\nWhile both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.\nUber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.\n“No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”\nUber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday over investor jitters about its outlook.\nThese types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.\nIt would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs and Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.\nUber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after an initial public offering that valued Didi highly but before actions by China took the shares down more than 50%.\nNo matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.\nUber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.\nAfter two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"UBER":0.9,"LYFT":0.9}},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":899781636,"gmtCreate":1628215406025,"gmtModify":1631885323415,"author":{"id":"3569469016287731","authorId":"3569469016287731","name":"TruthfulPep","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/3046e394899cd454b96359b74a0a90ad","vip":1,"crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"authorIdStr":"3569469016287731","idStr":"3569469016287731"},"htmlText":"[Miser]&nbsp;","listText":"[Miser]&nbsp;","text":"[Miser]","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":1,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/899781636","repostId":1135807500,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1135807500","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1628214290,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/1135807500?lang=zh_CN&edition=full","pubTime":"2021-08-06 09:44","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Uber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits<blockquote>优步和Lyft正在上演一场荒谬的虚假利润竞赛</blockquote>","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1135807500","media":"MarketWatch","summary":"Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the en","content":"Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little hope of turning an actual profit anytime soon<blockquote>Lyft终于在第二季度显示出正的调整后Ebitda，而Uber则承诺在年底前实现这一目标，但这些都不值得欢呼，因为公司继续经营业务，短期内实现实际利润的希望渺茫</blockquote> <img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c1ac2b3a2871ea61cbb1975f552e20e5\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"466\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\">It appears that the only way Uber and Lyft will be able to show any actual profit figure is to cut.<blockquote>看来优步和Lyft能够显示任何实际利润数字的唯一方法就是削减利润。</blockquote> Uber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are racing to prove to investors that they can be “profitable,” so expect even more cuts and made-up metrics on the road ahead.<blockquote>优步科技公司和Lyft公司正在竞相向投资者证明他们可以“盈利”，因此预计未来的道路上将出现更多削减和虚构指标。</blockquote> When the two ride-hailing companies reported earnings this week, Lyft&nbsp;managed to show positive adjusted Ebitda results, a longstanding goal, thanks to immense cost-cutting. Uber&nbsp;reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected&nbsp;for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.<blockquote>当这两家网约车公司本周公布财报时，由于大幅削减成本，Lyft成功展示了积极的调整后Ebitda业绩，这是一个长期目标。优步公布的第二季度调整后净亏损比华尔街预期的要大，同时仍承诺在年底前在其资产负债表上显示绿色，而且在调整后的Ebitda基础上也显示绿色。</blockquote> While both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.<blockquote>虽然两家公司继续告诉投资者，实现这一目标表明了“盈利能力”，但事实肯定并非如此——网约车公司继续证明他们的业务没有盈利，而且很可能不会像目前那样构建。两家公司都通过最近的业绩证明了其昂贵的问题，尽管他们继续努力将司机作为独立承包商留在世界各地，以避免不断增加的员工成本。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million&nbsp;to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.<blockquote>随着COVID-19 Delta变种的传播，Uber和Lyft最近一直在大力投资以吸引更多司机。4月初，Uber公布了一项计划，斥资2.5亿美元，通过向司机发放奖金来吸引他们重返平台，因为疫情似乎开始缓解。Lyft在电话会议中表示，该公司在激励措施上花费了3.75亿美元，并将其归类为“反向收入”，预计第三季度“反向收入”将超过3.76亿美元。</blockquote> “No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”<blockquote>当被问及达美航空对网约车业务的影响时，Uber首席执行官达拉·科斯罗萨西(Dara Khosrowshahi)告诉分析师：“没有人能够预测达美航空未来会发生什么。”“但到目前为止，我们已经进行了对冲，而且我们看到的趋势相当不错。”</blockquote> Uber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday&nbsp;over investor jitters about its outlook.<blockquote>Uber通过其Uber Eats优食业务进行了对冲，该业务在疫情期间向消费者提供餐厅餐食的业务出现了大幅增长，而乘车业务则放缓，但该业务也尚未显示出盈利能力。Lyft没有如此庞大的额外业务，由于投资者对其前景感到不安，其股价在周二公布财报后暴跌。</blockquote> These types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of&nbsp;California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.<blockquote>一旦疫情平静下来，这些类型的成本不会消失。例如，加利福尼亚州将要求到2030年几乎所有拼车车辆都是电动的，这就提出了一个巨大的问题：谁将为这一转变买单，因为司机拥有自己的汽车。联邦政府正在关注零工经济的做法，并可能迫使做出增加成本的改变，而优步和Lyft则吹捧“第三条道路”，他们在加州证明这也需要更高的成本。</blockquote> It would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs&nbsp;and&nbsp;Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.<blockquote>这些公司能够展示任何利润数据的唯一方法，无论与实际净利润有多远，似乎就是削减。去年，在疫情最严重的时候，两家公司都裁员，作为削减成本的一部分。Uber裁员约6,700人，Lyft解雇了1,000名员工，另外288人暂时休假。Uber还一直在削减亏损业务，例如剥离其自动驾驶部门。</blockquote> Uber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after&nbsp;an initial public offering that valued Didi highly&nbsp;but before&nbsp;actions by China took the shares down&nbsp;more than 50%.<blockquote>优步实际上在周四公布了其作为上市公司的第二季度GAAP盈利能力，这是第二次，因为其对中国竞争对手滴滴出行的投资获得了账面收益。这项投资为资产负债表增加了高达14亿美元的资金，因为Uber于6月30日对其进行了估值，就在首次公开募股对滴滴进行了高估值之后，但在中国采取行动导致其股价下跌超过50%之前。</blockquote> No matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.<blockquote>无论这些公司记录了多少账面收益或削减了多少开支——并预计Uber将在其必须证明的第四季度业绩之前宣布更多——或者他们试图将成本（包括汽车所有权）推给临时工，Lyft和Uber都没有看起来更接近实际的GAAP盈利能力。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.<blockquote>Uber和Lyft的股票都有折扣，均低于各自2019年首次公开募股的价格：Uber更接近其45美元的IPO价格，周四收于43.07美元，而Lyft的交易价格比其IPO价格低约33%。</blockquote> After two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.<blockquote>两年多来，优步和Lyft都通过为消费者提供受欢迎的服务获得了数十亿美元的收入，人们可能会认为优步和Lyft可能更接近实际盈利能力。较低的股价为投资者提供了潜在的买入机会，但如果你这样做了，也不要指望很快就能看到实际利润。</blockquote>","source":"lsy1603348471595","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Uber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits<blockquote>优步和Lyft正在上演一场荒谬的虚假利润竞赛</blockquote></title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 12.5px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nUber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits<blockquote>优步和Lyft正在上演一场荒谬的虚假利润竞赛</blockquote>\n</h2>\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\nMarketWatch2021-08-06 09:44\n\n</h4>\n</header>\n<article>\nLyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little hope of turning an actual profit anytime soon<blockquote>Lyft终于在第二季度显示出正的调整后Ebitda，而Uber则承诺在年底前实现这一目标，但这些都不值得欢呼，因为公司继续经营业务，短期内实现实际利润的希望渺茫</blockquote> <img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c1ac2b3a2871ea61cbb1975f552e20e5\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"466\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\">It appears that the only way Uber and Lyft will be able to show any actual profit figure is to cut.<blockquote>看来优步和Lyft能够显示任何实际利润数字的唯一方法就是削减利润。</blockquote> Uber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are racing to prove to investors that they can be “profitable,” so expect even more cuts and made-up metrics on the road ahead.<blockquote>优步科技公司和Lyft公司正在竞相向投资者证明他们可以“盈利”，因此预计未来的道路上将出现更多削减和虚构指标。</blockquote> When the two ride-hailing companies reported earnings this week, Lyft&nbsp;managed to show positive adjusted Ebitda results, a longstanding goal, thanks to immense cost-cutting. Uber&nbsp;reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected&nbsp;for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.<blockquote>当这两家网约车公司本周公布财报时，由于大幅削减成本，Lyft成功展示了积极的调整后Ebitda业绩，这是一个长期目标。优步公布的第二季度调整后净亏损比华尔街预期的要大，同时仍承诺在年底前在其资产负债表上显示绿色，而且在调整后的Ebitda基础上也显示绿色。</blockquote> While both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.<blockquote>虽然两家公司继续告诉投资者，实现这一目标表明了“盈利能力”，但事实肯定并非如此——网约车公司继续证明他们的业务没有盈利，而且很可能不会像目前那样构建。两家公司都通过最近的业绩证明了其昂贵的问题，尽管他们继续努力将司机作为独立承包商留在世界各地，以避免不断增加的员工成本。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million&nbsp;to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.<blockquote>随着COVID-19 Delta变种的传播，Uber和Lyft最近一直在大力投资以吸引更多司机。4月初，Uber公布了一项计划，斥资2.5亿美元，通过向司机发放奖金来吸引他们重返平台，因为疫情似乎开始缓解。Lyft在电话会议中表示，该公司在激励措施上花费了3.75亿美元，并将其归类为“反向收入”，预计第三季度“反向收入”将超过3.76亿美元。</blockquote> “No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”<blockquote>当被问及达美航空对网约车业务的影响时，Uber首席执行官达拉·科斯罗萨西(Dara Khosrowshahi)告诉分析师：“没有人能够预测达美航空未来会发生什么。”“但到目前为止，我们已经进行了对冲，而且我们看到的趋势相当不错。”</blockquote> Uber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday&nbsp;over investor jitters about its outlook.<blockquote>Uber通过其Uber Eats优食业务进行了对冲，该业务在疫情期间向消费者提供餐厅餐食的业务出现了大幅增长，而乘车业务则放缓，但该业务也尚未显示出盈利能力。Lyft没有如此庞大的额外业务，由于投资者对其前景感到不安，其股价在周二公布财报后暴跌。</blockquote> These types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of&nbsp;California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.<blockquote>一旦疫情平静下来，这些类型的成本不会消失。例如，加利福尼亚州将要求到2030年几乎所有拼车车辆都是电动的，这就提出了一个巨大的问题：谁将为这一转变买单，因为司机拥有自己的汽车。联邦政府正在关注零工经济的做法，并可能迫使做出增加成本的改变，而优步和Lyft则吹捧“第三条道路”，他们在加州证明这也需要更高的成本。</blockquote> It would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs&nbsp;and&nbsp;Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.<blockquote>这些公司能够展示任何利润数据的唯一方法，无论与实际净利润有多远，似乎就是削减。去年，在疫情最严重的时候，两家公司都裁员，作为削减成本的一部分。Uber裁员约6,700人，Lyft解雇了1,000名员工，另外288人暂时休假。Uber还一直在削减亏损业务，例如剥离其自动驾驶部门。</blockquote> Uber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after&nbsp;an initial public offering that valued Didi highly&nbsp;but before&nbsp;actions by China took the shares down&nbsp;more than 50%.<blockquote>优步实际上在周四公布了其作为上市公司的第二季度GAAP盈利能力，这是第二次，因为其对中国竞争对手滴滴出行的投资获得了账面收益。这项投资为资产负债表增加了高达14亿美元的资金，因为Uber于6月30日对其进行了估值，就在首次公开募股对滴滴进行了高估值之后，但在中国采取行动导致其股价下跌超过50%之前。</blockquote> No matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.<blockquote>无论这些公司记录了多少账面收益或削减了多少开支——并预计Uber将在其必须证明的第四季度业绩之前宣布更多——或者他们试图将成本（包括汽车所有权）推给临时工，Lyft和Uber都没有看起来更接近实际的GAAP盈利能力。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.<blockquote>Uber和Lyft的股票都有折扣，均低于各自2019年首次公开募股的价格：Uber更接近其45美元的IPO价格，周四收于43.07美元，而Lyft的交易价格比其IPO价格低约33%。</blockquote> After two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.<blockquote>两年多来，优步和Lyft都通过为消费者提供受欢迎的服务获得了数十亿美元的收入，人们可能会认为优步和Lyft可能更接近实际盈利能力。较低的股价为投资者提供了潜在的买入机会，但如果你这样做了，也不要指望很快就能看到实际利润。</blockquote>\n<div class=\"bt-text\">\n\n\n 来源：<a href=\"https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uber-and-lyft-are-staging-a-ridiculous-race-for-fake-profits-11628205337?mod=home-page\">MarketWatch</a>\n为提升您的阅读体验，我们对本页面进行了排版优化\n\n\n</div>\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"LYFT":"Lyft, Inc.","UBER":"优步"},"source_url":"https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uber-and-lyft-are-staging-a-ridiculous-race-for-fake-profits-11628205337?mod=home-page","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1135807500","content_text":"Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little hope of turning an actual profit anytime soon\nIt appears that the only way Uber and Lyft will be able to show any actual profit figure is to cut.\nUber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are racing to prove to investors that they can be “profitable,” so expect even more cuts and made-up metrics on the road ahead.\nWhen the two ride-hailing companies reported earnings this week, Lyft managed to show positive adjusted Ebitda results, a longstanding goal, thanks to immense cost-cutting. Uber reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.\nWhile both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.\nUber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.\n“No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”\nUber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday over investor jitters about its outlook.\nThese types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.\nIt would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs and Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.\nUber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after an initial public offering that valued Didi highly but before actions by China took the shares down more than 50%.\nNo matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.\nUber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.\nAfter two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"UBER":0.9,"LYFT":0.9}},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"comments":[{"id":5442423,"gmtCreate":1628215662870,"gmtModify":1631885323417,"authorId":3583019776794107,"author":{"id":3583019776794107,"idStr":"3583019776794107","authorId":3583019776794107,"name":"Tzeee91","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4dd92987a78445a5a9043533dc8c1559","vip":1,"crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":899781636,"type":1,"supId":0,"prevId":0,"content":"Woah","text":"Woah","html":"Woah"}],"langContent":"EN"},{"id":899789565,"gmtCreate":1628215329557,"gmtModify":1633752532653,"author":{"id":"4087606671753930","authorId":"4087606671753930","name":"ashethen","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4f54274c70963f355c7d10c52305c1e7","vip":1,"crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"authorIdStr":"4087606671753930","idStr":"4087606671753930"},"htmlText":"Please like","listText":"Please like","text":"Please like","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/899789565","repostId":1135807500,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1135807500","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1628214290,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/1135807500?lang=zh_CN&edition=full","pubTime":"2021-08-06 09:44","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Uber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits<blockquote>优步和Lyft正在上演一场荒谬的虚假利润竞赛</blockquote>","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1135807500","media":"MarketWatch","summary":"Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the en","content":"Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little hope of turning an actual profit anytime soon<blockquote>Lyft终于在第二季度显示出正的调整后Ebitda，而Uber则承诺在年底前实现这一目标，但这些都不值得欢呼，因为公司继续经营业务，短期内实现实际利润的希望渺茫</blockquote> <img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c1ac2b3a2871ea61cbb1975f552e20e5\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"466\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\">It appears that the only way Uber and Lyft will be able to show any actual profit figure is to cut.<blockquote>看来优步和Lyft能够显示任何实际利润数字的唯一方法就是削减利润。</blockquote> Uber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are racing to prove to investors that they can be “profitable,” so expect even more cuts and made-up metrics on the road ahead.<blockquote>优步科技公司和Lyft公司正在竞相向投资者证明他们可以“盈利”，因此预计未来的道路上将出现更多削减和虚构指标。</blockquote> When the two ride-hailing companies reported earnings this week, Lyft&nbsp;managed to show positive adjusted Ebitda results, a longstanding goal, thanks to immense cost-cutting. Uber&nbsp;reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected&nbsp;for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.<blockquote>当这两家网约车公司本周公布财报时，由于大幅削减成本，Lyft成功展示了积极的调整后Ebitda业绩，这是一个长期目标。优步公布的第二季度调整后净亏损比华尔街预期的要大，同时仍承诺在年底前在其资产负债表上显示绿色，而且在调整后的Ebitda基础上也显示绿色。</blockquote> While both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.<blockquote>虽然两家公司继续告诉投资者，实现这一目标表明了“盈利能力”，但事实肯定并非如此——网约车公司继续证明他们的业务没有盈利，而且很可能不会像目前那样构建。两家公司都通过最近的业绩证明了其昂贵的问题，尽管他们继续努力将司机作为独立承包商留在世界各地，以避免不断增加的员工成本。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million&nbsp;to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.<blockquote>随着COVID-19 Delta变种的传播，Uber和Lyft最近一直在大力投资以吸引更多司机。4月初，Uber公布了一项计划，斥资2.5亿美元，通过向司机发放奖金来吸引他们重返平台，因为疫情似乎开始缓解。Lyft在电话会议中表示，该公司在激励措施上花费了3.75亿美元，并将其归类为“反向收入”，预计第三季度“反向收入”将超过3.76亿美元。</blockquote> “No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”<blockquote>当被问及达美航空对网约车业务的影响时，Uber首席执行官达拉·科斯罗萨西(Dara Khosrowshahi)告诉分析师：“没有人能够预测达美航空未来会发生什么。”“但到目前为止，我们已经进行了对冲，而且我们看到的趋势相当不错。”</blockquote> Uber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday&nbsp;over investor jitters about its outlook.<blockquote>Uber通过其Uber Eats优食业务进行了对冲，该业务在疫情期间向消费者提供餐厅餐食的业务出现了大幅增长，而乘车业务则放缓，但该业务也尚未显示出盈利能力。Lyft没有如此庞大的额外业务，由于投资者对其前景感到不安，其股价在周二公布财报后暴跌。</blockquote> These types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of&nbsp;California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.<blockquote>一旦疫情平静下来，这些类型的成本不会消失。例如，加利福尼亚州将要求到2030年几乎所有拼车车辆都是电动的，这就提出了一个巨大的问题：谁将为这一转变买单，因为司机拥有自己的汽车。联邦政府正在关注零工经济的做法，并可能迫使做出增加成本的改变，而优步和Lyft则吹捧“第三条道路”，他们在加州证明这也需要更高的成本。</blockquote> It would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs&nbsp;and&nbsp;Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.<blockquote>这些公司能够展示任何利润数据的唯一方法，无论与实际净利润有多远，似乎就是削减。去年，在疫情最严重的时候，两家公司都裁员，作为削减成本的一部分。Uber裁员约6,700人，Lyft解雇了1,000名员工，另外288人暂时休假。Uber还一直在削减亏损业务，例如剥离其自动驾驶部门。</blockquote> Uber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after&nbsp;an initial public offering that valued Didi highly&nbsp;but before&nbsp;actions by China took the shares down&nbsp;more than 50%.<blockquote>优步实际上在周四公布了其作为上市公司的第二季度GAAP盈利能力，这是第二次，因为其对中国竞争对手滴滴出行的投资获得了账面收益。这项投资为资产负债表增加了高达14亿美元的资金，因为Uber于6月30日对其进行了估值，就在首次公开募股对滴滴进行了高估值之后，但在中国采取行动导致其股价下跌超过50%之前。</blockquote> No matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.<blockquote>无论这些公司记录了多少账面收益或削减了多少开支——并预计Uber将在其必须证明的第四季度业绩之前宣布更多——或者他们试图将成本（包括汽车所有权）推给临时工，Lyft和Uber都没有看起来更接近实际的GAAP盈利能力。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.<blockquote>Uber和Lyft的股票都有折扣，均低于各自2019年首次公开募股的价格：Uber更接近其45美元的IPO价格，周四收于43.07美元，而Lyft的交易价格比其IPO价格低约33%。</blockquote> After two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.<blockquote>两年多来，优步和Lyft都通过为消费者提供受欢迎的服务获得了数十亿美元的收入，人们可能会认为优步和Lyft可能更接近实际盈利能力。较低的股价为投资者提供了潜在的买入机会，但如果你这样做了，也不要指望很快就能看到实际利润。</blockquote>","source":"lsy1603348471595","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Uber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits<blockquote>优步和Lyft正在上演一场荒谬的虚假利润竞赛</blockquote></title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 12.5px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nUber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits<blockquote>优步和Lyft正在上演一场荒谬的虚假利润竞赛</blockquote>\n</h2>\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\nMarketWatch2021-08-06 09:44\n\n</h4>\n</header>\n<article>\nLyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little hope of turning an actual profit anytime soon<blockquote>Lyft终于在第二季度显示出正的调整后Ebitda，而Uber则承诺在年底前实现这一目标，但这些都不值得欢呼，因为公司继续经营业务，短期内实现实际利润的希望渺茫</blockquote> <img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c1ac2b3a2871ea61cbb1975f552e20e5\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"466\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\">It appears that the only way Uber and Lyft will be able to show any actual profit figure is to cut.<blockquote>看来优步和Lyft能够显示任何实际利润数字的唯一方法就是削减利润。</blockquote> Uber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are racing to prove to investors that they can be “profitable,” so expect even more cuts and made-up metrics on the road ahead.<blockquote>优步科技公司和Lyft公司正在竞相向投资者证明他们可以“盈利”，因此预计未来的道路上将出现更多削减和虚构指标。</blockquote> When the two ride-hailing companies reported earnings this week, Lyft&nbsp;managed to show positive adjusted Ebitda results, a longstanding goal, thanks to immense cost-cutting. Uber&nbsp;reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected&nbsp;for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.<blockquote>当这两家网约车公司本周公布财报时，由于大幅削减成本，Lyft成功展示了积极的调整后Ebitda业绩，这是一个长期目标。优步公布的第二季度调整后净亏损比华尔街预期的要大，同时仍承诺在年底前在其资产负债表上显示绿色，而且在调整后的Ebitda基础上也显示绿色。</blockquote> While both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.<blockquote>虽然两家公司继续告诉投资者，实现这一目标表明了“盈利能力”，但事实肯定并非如此——网约车公司继续证明他们的业务没有盈利，而且很可能不会像目前那样构建。两家公司都通过最近的业绩证明了其昂贵的问题，尽管他们继续努力将司机作为独立承包商留在世界各地，以避免不断增加的员工成本。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million&nbsp;to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.<blockquote>随着COVID-19 Delta变种的传播，Uber和Lyft最近一直在大力投资以吸引更多司机。4月初，Uber公布了一项计划，斥资2.5亿美元，通过向司机发放奖金来吸引他们重返平台，因为疫情似乎开始缓解。Lyft在电话会议中表示，该公司在激励措施上花费了3.75亿美元，并将其归类为“反向收入”，预计第三季度“反向收入”将超过3.76亿美元。</blockquote> “No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”<blockquote>当被问及达美航空对网约车业务的影响时，Uber首席执行官达拉·科斯罗萨西(Dara Khosrowshahi)告诉分析师：“没有人能够预测达美航空未来会发生什么。”“但到目前为止，我们已经进行了对冲，而且我们看到的趋势相当不错。”</blockquote> Uber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday&nbsp;over investor jitters about its outlook.<blockquote>Uber通过其Uber Eats优食业务进行了对冲，该业务在疫情期间向消费者提供餐厅餐食的业务出现了大幅增长，而乘车业务则放缓，但该业务也尚未显示出盈利能力。Lyft没有如此庞大的额外业务，由于投资者对其前景感到不安，其股价在周二公布财报后暴跌。</blockquote> These types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of&nbsp;California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.<blockquote>一旦疫情平静下来，这些类型的成本不会消失。例如，加利福尼亚州将要求到2030年几乎所有拼车车辆都是电动的，这就提出了一个巨大的问题：谁将为这一转变买单，因为司机拥有自己的汽车。联邦政府正在关注零工经济的做法，并可能迫使做出增加成本的改变，而优步和Lyft则吹捧“第三条道路”，他们在加州证明这也需要更高的成本。</blockquote> It would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs&nbsp;and&nbsp;Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.<blockquote>这些公司能够展示任何利润数据的唯一方法，无论与实际净利润有多远，似乎就是削减。去年，在疫情最严重的时候，两家公司都裁员，作为削减成本的一部分。Uber裁员约6,700人，Lyft解雇了1,000名员工，另外288人暂时休假。Uber还一直在削减亏损业务，例如剥离其自动驾驶部门。</blockquote> Uber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after&nbsp;an initial public offering that valued Didi highly&nbsp;but before&nbsp;actions by China took the shares down&nbsp;more than 50%.<blockquote>优步实际上在周四公布了其作为上市公司的第二季度GAAP盈利能力，这是第二次，因为其对中国竞争对手滴滴出行的投资获得了账面收益。这项投资为资产负债表增加了高达14亿美元的资金，因为Uber于6月30日对其进行了估值，就在首次公开募股对滴滴进行了高估值之后，但在中国采取行动导致其股价下跌超过50%之前。</blockquote> No matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.<blockquote>无论这些公司记录了多少账面收益或削减了多少开支——并预计Uber将在其必须证明的第四季度业绩之前宣布更多——或者他们试图将成本（包括汽车所有权）推给临时工，Lyft和Uber都没有看起来更接近实际的GAAP盈利能力。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.<blockquote>Uber和Lyft的股票都有折扣，均低于各自2019年首次公开募股的价格：Uber更接近其45美元的IPO价格，周四收于43.07美元，而Lyft的交易价格比其IPO价格低约33%。</blockquote> After two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.<blockquote>两年多来，优步和Lyft都通过为消费者提供受欢迎的服务获得了数十亿美元的收入，人们可能会认为优步和Lyft可能更接近实际盈利能力。较低的股价为投资者提供了潜在的买入机会，但如果你这样做了，也不要指望很快就能看到实际利润。</blockquote>\n<div class=\"bt-text\">\n\n\n 来源：<a href=\"https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uber-and-lyft-are-staging-a-ridiculous-race-for-fake-profits-11628205337?mod=home-page\">MarketWatch</a>\n为提升您的阅读体验，我们对本页面进行了排版优化\n\n\n</div>\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"LYFT":"Lyft, Inc.","UBER":"优步"},"source_url":"https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uber-and-lyft-are-staging-a-ridiculous-race-for-fake-profits-11628205337?mod=home-page","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1135807500","content_text":"Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little hope of turning an actual profit anytime soon\nIt appears that the only way Uber and Lyft will be able to show any actual profit figure is to cut.\nUber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are racing to prove to investors that they can be “profitable,” so expect even more cuts and made-up metrics on the road ahead.\nWhen the two ride-hailing companies reported earnings this week, Lyft managed to show positive adjusted Ebitda results, a longstanding goal, thanks to immense cost-cutting. Uber reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.\nWhile both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.\nUber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.\n“No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”\nUber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday over investor jitters about its outlook.\nThese types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.\nIt would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs and Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.\nUber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after an initial public offering that valued Didi highly but before actions by China took the shares down more than 50%.\nNo matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.\nUber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.\nAfter two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"UBER":0.9,"LYFT":0.9}},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":899734982,"gmtCreate":1628214583046,"gmtModify":1633752542117,"author":{"id":"3572867658695568","authorId":"3572867658695568","name":"Simplewind","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5cec05c297ad50a1f25f590f1266e874","vip":1,"crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"authorIdStr":"3572867658695568","idStr":"3572867658695568"},"htmlText":"Pls like. Thanks","listText":"Pls like. Thanks","text":"Pls like. Thanks","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/899734982","repostId":1135807500,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1135807500","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1628214290,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/1135807500?lang=zh_CN&edition=full","pubTime":"2021-08-06 09:44","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Uber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits<blockquote>优步和Lyft正在上演一场荒谬的虚假利润竞赛</blockquote>","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1135807500","media":"MarketWatch","summary":"Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the en","content":"Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little hope of turning an actual profit anytime soon<blockquote>Lyft终于在第二季度显示出正的调整后Ebitda，而Uber则承诺在年底前实现这一目标，但这些都不值得欢呼，因为公司继续经营业务，短期内实现实际利润的希望渺茫</blockquote> <img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c1ac2b3a2871ea61cbb1975f552e20e5\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"466\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\">It appears that the only way Uber and Lyft will be able to show any actual profit figure is to cut.<blockquote>看来优步和Lyft能够显示任何实际利润数字的唯一方法就是削减利润。</blockquote> Uber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are racing to prove to investors that they can be “profitable,” so expect even more cuts and made-up metrics on the road ahead.<blockquote>优步科技公司和Lyft公司正在竞相向投资者证明他们可以“盈利”，因此预计未来的道路上将出现更多削减和虚构指标。</blockquote> When the two ride-hailing companies reported earnings this week, Lyft&nbsp;managed to show positive adjusted Ebitda results, a longstanding goal, thanks to immense cost-cutting. Uber&nbsp;reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected&nbsp;for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.<blockquote>当这两家网约车公司本周公布财报时，由于大幅削减成本，Lyft成功展示了积极的调整后Ebitda业绩，这是一个长期目标。优步公布的第二季度调整后净亏损比华尔街预期的要大，同时仍承诺在年底前在其资产负债表上显示绿色，而且在调整后的Ebitda基础上也显示绿色。</blockquote> While both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.<blockquote>虽然两家公司继续告诉投资者，实现这一目标表明了“盈利能力”，但事实肯定并非如此——网约车公司继续证明他们的业务没有盈利，而且很可能不会像目前那样构建。两家公司都通过最近的业绩证明了其昂贵的问题，尽管他们继续努力将司机作为独立承包商留在世界各地，以避免不断增加的员工成本。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million&nbsp;to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.<blockquote>随着COVID-19 Delta变种的传播，Uber和Lyft最近一直在大力投资以吸引更多司机。4月初，Uber公布了一项计划，斥资2.5亿美元，通过向司机发放奖金来吸引他们重返平台，因为疫情似乎开始缓解。Lyft在电话会议中表示，该公司在激励措施上花费了3.75亿美元，并将其归类为“反向收入”，预计第三季度“反向收入”将超过3.76亿美元。</blockquote> “No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”<blockquote>当被问及达美航空对网约车业务的影响时，Uber首席执行官达拉·科斯罗萨西(Dara Khosrowshahi)告诉分析师：“没有人能够预测达美航空未来会发生什么。”“但到目前为止，我们已经进行了对冲，而且我们看到的趋势相当不错。”</blockquote> Uber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday&nbsp;over investor jitters about its outlook.<blockquote>Uber通过其Uber Eats优食业务进行了对冲，该业务在疫情期间向消费者提供餐厅餐食的业务出现了大幅增长，而乘车业务则放缓，但该业务也尚未显示出盈利能力。Lyft没有如此庞大的额外业务，由于投资者对其前景感到不安，其股价在周二公布财报后暴跌。</blockquote> These types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of&nbsp;California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.<blockquote>一旦疫情平静下来，这些类型的成本不会消失。例如，加利福尼亚州将要求到2030年几乎所有拼车车辆都是电动的，这就提出了一个巨大的问题：谁将为这一转变买单，因为司机拥有自己的汽车。联邦政府正在关注零工经济的做法，并可能迫使做出增加成本的改变，而优步和Lyft则吹捧“第三条道路”，他们在加州证明这也需要更高的成本。</blockquote> It would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs&nbsp;and&nbsp;Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.<blockquote>这些公司能够展示任何利润数据的唯一方法，无论与实际净利润有多远，似乎就是削减。去年，在疫情最严重的时候，两家公司都裁员，作为削减成本的一部分。Uber裁员约6,700人，Lyft解雇了1,000名员工，另外288人暂时休假。Uber还一直在削减亏损业务，例如剥离其自动驾驶部门。</blockquote> Uber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after&nbsp;an initial public offering that valued Didi highly&nbsp;but before&nbsp;actions by China took the shares down&nbsp;more than 50%.<blockquote>优步实际上在周四公布了其作为上市公司的第二季度GAAP盈利能力，这是第二次，因为其对中国竞争对手滴滴出行的投资获得了账面收益。这项投资为资产负债表增加了高达14亿美元的资金，因为Uber于6月30日对其进行了估值，就在首次公开募股对滴滴进行了高估值之后，但在中国采取行动导致其股价下跌超过50%之前。</blockquote> No matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.<blockquote>无论这些公司记录了多少账面收益或削减了多少开支——并预计Uber将在其必须证明的第四季度业绩之前宣布更多——或者他们试图将成本（包括汽车所有权）推给临时工，Lyft和Uber都没有看起来更接近实际的GAAP盈利能力。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.<blockquote>Uber和Lyft的股票都有折扣，均低于各自2019年首次公开募股的价格：Uber更接近其45美元的IPO价格，周四收于43.07美元，而Lyft的交易价格比其IPO价格低约33%。</blockquote> After two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.<blockquote>两年多来，优步和Lyft都通过为消费者提供受欢迎的服务获得了数十亿美元的收入，人们可能会认为优步和Lyft可能更接近实际盈利能力。较低的股价为投资者提供了潜在的买入机会，但如果你这样做了，也不要指望很快就能看到实际利润。</blockquote>","source":"lsy1603348471595","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Uber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits<blockquote>优步和Lyft正在上演一场荒谬的虚假利润竞赛</blockquote></title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 12.5px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nUber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits<blockquote>优步和Lyft正在上演一场荒谬的虚假利润竞赛</blockquote>\n</h2>\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\nMarketWatch2021-08-06 09:44\n\n</h4>\n</header>\n<article>\nLyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little hope of turning an actual profit anytime soon<blockquote>Lyft终于在第二季度显示出正的调整后Ebitda，而Uber则承诺在年底前实现这一目标，但这些都不值得欢呼，因为公司继续经营业务，短期内实现实际利润的希望渺茫</blockquote> <img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c1ac2b3a2871ea61cbb1975f552e20e5\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"466\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\">It appears that the only way Uber and Lyft will be able to show any actual profit figure is to cut.<blockquote>看来优步和Lyft能够显示任何实际利润数字的唯一方法就是削减利润。</blockquote> Uber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are racing to prove to investors that they can be “profitable,” so expect even more cuts and made-up metrics on the road ahead.<blockquote>优步科技公司和Lyft公司正在竞相向投资者证明他们可以“盈利”，因此预计未来的道路上将出现更多削减和虚构指标。</blockquote> When the two ride-hailing companies reported earnings this week, Lyft&nbsp;managed to show positive adjusted Ebitda results, a longstanding goal, thanks to immense cost-cutting. Uber&nbsp;reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected&nbsp;for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.<blockquote>当这两家网约车公司本周公布财报时，由于大幅削减成本，Lyft成功展示了积极的调整后Ebitda业绩，这是一个长期目标。优步公布的第二季度调整后净亏损比华尔街预期的要大，同时仍承诺在年底前在其资产负债表上显示绿色，而且在调整后的Ebitda基础上也显示绿色。</blockquote> While both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.<blockquote>虽然两家公司继续告诉投资者，实现这一目标表明了“盈利能力”，但事实肯定并非如此——网约车公司继续证明他们的业务没有盈利，而且很可能不会像目前那样构建。两家公司都通过最近的业绩证明了其昂贵的问题，尽管他们继续努力将司机作为独立承包商留在世界各地，以避免不断增加的员工成本。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million&nbsp;to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.<blockquote>随着COVID-19 Delta变种的传播，Uber和Lyft最近一直在大力投资以吸引更多司机。4月初，Uber公布了一项计划，斥资2.5亿美元，通过向司机发放奖金来吸引他们重返平台，因为疫情似乎开始缓解。Lyft在电话会议中表示，该公司在激励措施上花费了3.75亿美元，并将其归类为“反向收入”，预计第三季度“反向收入”将超过3.76亿美元。</blockquote> “No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”<blockquote>当被问及达美航空对网约车业务的影响时，Uber首席执行官达拉·科斯罗萨西(Dara Khosrowshahi)告诉分析师：“没有人能够预测达美航空未来会发生什么。”“但到目前为止，我们已经进行了对冲，而且我们看到的趋势相当不错。”</blockquote> Uber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday&nbsp;over investor jitters about its outlook.<blockquote>Uber通过其Uber Eats优食业务进行了对冲，该业务在疫情期间向消费者提供餐厅餐食的业务出现了大幅增长，而乘车业务则放缓，但该业务也尚未显示出盈利能力。Lyft没有如此庞大的额外业务，由于投资者对其前景感到不安，其股价在周二公布财报后暴跌。</blockquote> These types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of&nbsp;California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.<blockquote>一旦疫情平静下来，这些类型的成本不会消失。例如，加利福尼亚州将要求到2030年几乎所有拼车车辆都是电动的，这就提出了一个巨大的问题：谁将为这一转变买单，因为司机拥有自己的汽车。联邦政府正在关注零工经济的做法，并可能迫使做出增加成本的改变，而优步和Lyft则吹捧“第三条道路”，他们在加州证明这也需要更高的成本。</blockquote> It would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs&nbsp;and&nbsp;Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.<blockquote>这些公司能够展示任何利润数据的唯一方法，无论与实际净利润有多远，似乎就是削减。去年，在疫情最严重的时候，两家公司都裁员，作为削减成本的一部分。Uber裁员约6,700人，Lyft解雇了1,000名员工，另外288人暂时休假。Uber还一直在削减亏损业务，例如剥离其自动驾驶部门。</blockquote> Uber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after&nbsp;an initial public offering that valued Didi highly&nbsp;but before&nbsp;actions by China took the shares down&nbsp;more than 50%.<blockquote>优步实际上在周四公布了其作为上市公司的第二季度GAAP盈利能力，这是第二次，因为其对中国竞争对手滴滴出行的投资获得了账面收益。这项投资为资产负债表增加了高达14亿美元的资金，因为Uber于6月30日对其进行了估值，就在首次公开募股对滴滴进行了高估值之后，但在中国采取行动导致其股价下跌超过50%之前。</blockquote> No matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.<blockquote>无论这些公司记录了多少账面收益或削减了多少开支——并预计Uber将在其必须证明的第四季度业绩之前宣布更多——或者他们试图将成本（包括汽车所有权）推给临时工，Lyft和Uber都没有看起来更接近实际的GAAP盈利能力。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.<blockquote>Uber和Lyft的股票都有折扣，均低于各自2019年首次公开募股的价格：Uber更接近其45美元的IPO价格，周四收于43.07美元，而Lyft的交易价格比其IPO价格低约33%。</blockquote> After two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.<blockquote>两年多来，优步和Lyft都通过为消费者提供受欢迎的服务获得了数十亿美元的收入，人们可能会认为优步和Lyft可能更接近实际盈利能力。较低的股价为投资者提供了潜在的买入机会，但如果你这样做了，也不要指望很快就能看到实际利润。</blockquote>\n<div class=\"bt-text\">\n\n\n 来源：<a href=\"https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uber-and-lyft-are-staging-a-ridiculous-race-for-fake-profits-11628205337?mod=home-page\">MarketWatch</a>\n为提升您的阅读体验，我们对本页面进行了排版优化\n\n\n</div>\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"LYFT":"Lyft, Inc.","UBER":"优步"},"source_url":"https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uber-and-lyft-are-staging-a-ridiculous-race-for-fake-profits-11628205337?mod=home-page","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1135807500","content_text":"Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little hope of turning an actual profit anytime soon\nIt appears that the only way Uber and Lyft will be able to show any actual profit figure is to cut.\nUber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are racing to prove to investors that they can be “profitable,” so expect even more cuts and made-up metrics on the road ahead.\nWhen the two ride-hailing companies reported earnings this week, Lyft managed to show positive adjusted Ebitda results, a longstanding goal, thanks to immense cost-cutting. Uber reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.\nWhile both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.\nUber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.\n“No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”\nUber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday over investor jitters about its outlook.\nThese types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.\nIt would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs and Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.\nUber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after an initial public offering that valued Didi highly but before actions by China took the shares down more than 50%.\nNo matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.\nUber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.\nAfter two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"UBER":0.9,"LYFT":0.9}},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":899735448,"gmtCreate":1628214567984,"gmtModify":1633752542439,"author":{"id":"3582943967323128","authorId":"3582943967323128","name":"Kc48","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","vip":1,"crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"authorIdStr":"3582943967323128","idStr":"3582943967323128"},"htmlText":"Omg","listText":"Omg","text":"Omg","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":1,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/899735448","repostId":1135807500,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1135807500","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1628214290,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/1135807500?lang=zh_CN&edition=full","pubTime":"2021-08-06 09:44","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Uber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits<blockquote>优步和Lyft正在上演一场荒谬的虚假利润竞赛</blockquote>","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1135807500","media":"MarketWatch","summary":"Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the en","content":"Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little hope of turning an actual profit anytime soon<blockquote>Lyft终于在第二季度显示出正的调整后Ebitda，而Uber则承诺在年底前实现这一目标，但这些都不值得欢呼，因为公司继续经营业务，短期内实现实际利润的希望渺茫</blockquote> <img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c1ac2b3a2871ea61cbb1975f552e20e5\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"466\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\">It appears that the only way Uber and Lyft will be able to show any actual profit figure is to cut.<blockquote>看来优步和Lyft能够显示任何实际利润数字的唯一方法就是削减利润。</blockquote> Uber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are racing to prove to investors that they can be “profitable,” so expect even more cuts and made-up metrics on the road ahead.<blockquote>优步科技公司和Lyft公司正在竞相向投资者证明他们可以“盈利”，因此预计未来的道路上将出现更多削减和虚构指标。</blockquote> When the two ride-hailing companies reported earnings this week, Lyft&nbsp;managed to show positive adjusted Ebitda results, a longstanding goal, thanks to immense cost-cutting. Uber&nbsp;reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected&nbsp;for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.<blockquote>当这两家网约车公司本周公布财报时，由于大幅削减成本，Lyft成功展示了积极的调整后Ebitda业绩，这是一个长期目标。优步公布的第二季度调整后净亏损比华尔街预期的要大，同时仍承诺在年底前在其资产负债表上显示绿色，而且在调整后的Ebitda基础上也显示绿色。</blockquote> While both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.<blockquote>虽然两家公司继续告诉投资者，实现这一目标表明了“盈利能力”，但事实肯定并非如此——网约车公司继续证明他们的业务没有盈利，而且很可能不会像目前那样构建。两家公司都通过最近的业绩证明了其昂贵的问题，尽管他们继续努力将司机作为独立承包商留在世界各地，以避免不断增加的员工成本。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million&nbsp;to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.<blockquote>随着COVID-19 Delta变种的传播，Uber和Lyft最近一直在大力投资以吸引更多司机。4月初，Uber公布了一项计划，斥资2.5亿美元，通过向司机发放奖金来吸引他们重返平台，因为疫情似乎开始缓解。Lyft在电话会议中表示，该公司在激励措施上花费了3.75亿美元，并将其归类为“反向收入”，预计第三季度“反向收入”将超过3.76亿美元。</blockquote> “No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”<blockquote>当被问及达美航空对网约车业务的影响时，Uber首席执行官达拉·科斯罗萨西(Dara Khosrowshahi)告诉分析师：“没有人能够预测达美航空未来会发生什么。”“但到目前为止，我们已经进行了对冲，而且我们看到的趋势相当不错。”</blockquote> Uber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday&nbsp;over investor jitters about its outlook.<blockquote>Uber通过其Uber Eats优食业务进行了对冲，该业务在疫情期间向消费者提供餐厅餐食的业务出现了大幅增长，而乘车业务则放缓，但该业务也尚未显示出盈利能力。Lyft没有如此庞大的额外业务，由于投资者对其前景感到不安，其股价在周二公布财报后暴跌。</blockquote> These types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of&nbsp;California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.<blockquote>一旦疫情平静下来，这些类型的成本不会消失。例如，加利福尼亚州将要求到2030年几乎所有拼车车辆都是电动的，这就提出了一个巨大的问题：谁将为这一转变买单，因为司机拥有自己的汽车。联邦政府正在关注零工经济的做法，并可能迫使做出增加成本的改变，而优步和Lyft则吹捧“第三条道路”，他们在加州证明这也需要更高的成本。</blockquote> It would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs&nbsp;and&nbsp;Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.<blockquote>这些公司能够展示任何利润数据的唯一方法，无论与实际净利润有多远，似乎就是削减。去年，在疫情最严重的时候，两家公司都裁员，作为削减成本的一部分。Uber裁员约6,700人，Lyft解雇了1,000名员工，另外288人暂时休假。Uber还一直在削减亏损业务，例如剥离其自动驾驶部门。</blockquote> Uber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after&nbsp;an initial public offering that valued Didi highly&nbsp;but before&nbsp;actions by China took the shares down&nbsp;more than 50%.<blockquote>优步实际上在周四公布了其作为上市公司的第二季度GAAP盈利能力，这是第二次，因为其对中国竞争对手滴滴出行的投资获得了账面收益。这项投资为资产负债表增加了高达14亿美元的资金，因为Uber于6月30日对其进行了估值，就在首次公开募股对滴滴进行了高估值之后，但在中国采取行动导致其股价下跌超过50%之前。</blockquote> No matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.<blockquote>无论这些公司记录了多少账面收益或削减了多少开支——并预计Uber将在其必须证明的第四季度业绩之前宣布更多——或者他们试图将成本（包括汽车所有权）推给临时工，Lyft和Uber都没有看起来更接近实际的GAAP盈利能力。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.<blockquote>Uber和Lyft的股票都有折扣，均低于各自2019年首次公开募股的价格：Uber更接近其45美元的IPO价格，周四收于43.07美元，而Lyft的交易价格比其IPO价格低约33%。</blockquote> After two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.<blockquote>两年多来，优步和Lyft都通过为消费者提供受欢迎的服务获得了数十亿美元的收入，人们可能会认为优步和Lyft可能更接近实际盈利能力。较低的股价为投资者提供了潜在的买入机会，但如果你这样做了，也不要指望很快就能看到实际利润。</blockquote>","source":"lsy1603348471595","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Uber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits<blockquote>优步和Lyft正在上演一场荒谬的虚假利润竞赛</blockquote></title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 12.5px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nUber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits<blockquote>优步和Lyft正在上演一场荒谬的虚假利润竞赛</blockquote>\n</h2>\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\nMarketWatch2021-08-06 09:44\n\n</h4>\n</header>\n<article>\nLyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little hope of turning an actual profit anytime soon<blockquote>Lyft终于在第二季度显示出正的调整后Ebitda，而Uber则承诺在年底前实现这一目标，但这些都不值得欢呼，因为公司继续经营业务，短期内实现实际利润的希望渺茫</blockquote> <img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c1ac2b3a2871ea61cbb1975f552e20e5\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"466\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\">It appears that the only way Uber and Lyft will be able to show any actual profit figure is to cut.<blockquote>看来优步和Lyft能够显示任何实际利润数字的唯一方法就是削减利润。</blockquote> Uber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are racing to prove to investors that they can be “profitable,” so expect even more cuts and made-up metrics on the road ahead.<blockquote>优步科技公司和Lyft公司正在竞相向投资者证明他们可以“盈利”，因此预计未来的道路上将出现更多削减和虚构指标。</blockquote> When the two ride-hailing companies reported earnings this week, Lyft&nbsp;managed to show positive adjusted Ebitda results, a longstanding goal, thanks to immense cost-cutting. Uber&nbsp;reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected&nbsp;for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.<blockquote>当这两家网约车公司本周公布财报时，由于大幅削减成本，Lyft成功展示了积极的调整后Ebitda业绩，这是一个长期目标。优步公布的第二季度调整后净亏损比华尔街预期的要大，同时仍承诺在年底前在其资产负债表上显示绿色，而且在调整后的Ebitda基础上也显示绿色。</blockquote> While both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.<blockquote>虽然两家公司继续告诉投资者，实现这一目标表明了“盈利能力”，但事实肯定并非如此——网约车公司继续证明他们的业务没有盈利，而且很可能不会像目前那样构建。两家公司都通过最近的业绩证明了其昂贵的问题，尽管他们继续努力将司机作为独立承包商留在世界各地，以避免不断增加的员工成本。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million&nbsp;to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.<blockquote>随着COVID-19 Delta变种的传播，Uber和Lyft最近一直在大力投资以吸引更多司机。4月初，Uber公布了一项计划，斥资2.5亿美元，通过向司机发放奖金来吸引他们重返平台，因为疫情似乎开始缓解。Lyft在电话会议中表示，该公司在激励措施上花费了3.75亿美元，并将其归类为“反向收入”，预计第三季度“反向收入”将超过3.76亿美元。</blockquote> “No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”<blockquote>当被问及达美航空对网约车业务的影响时，Uber首席执行官达拉·科斯罗萨西(Dara Khosrowshahi)告诉分析师：“没有人能够预测达美航空未来会发生什么。”“但到目前为止，我们已经进行了对冲，而且我们看到的趋势相当不错。”</blockquote> Uber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday&nbsp;over investor jitters about its outlook.<blockquote>Uber通过其Uber Eats优食业务进行了对冲，该业务在疫情期间向消费者提供餐厅餐食的业务出现了大幅增长，而乘车业务则放缓，但该业务也尚未显示出盈利能力。Lyft没有如此庞大的额外业务，由于投资者对其前景感到不安，其股价在周二公布财报后暴跌。</blockquote> These types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of&nbsp;California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.<blockquote>一旦疫情平静下来，这些类型的成本不会消失。例如，加利福尼亚州将要求到2030年几乎所有拼车车辆都是电动的，这就提出了一个巨大的问题：谁将为这一转变买单，因为司机拥有自己的汽车。联邦政府正在关注零工经济的做法，并可能迫使做出增加成本的改变，而优步和Lyft则吹捧“第三条道路”，他们在加州证明这也需要更高的成本。</blockquote> It would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs&nbsp;and&nbsp;Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.<blockquote>这些公司能够展示任何利润数据的唯一方法，无论与实际净利润有多远，似乎就是削减。去年，在疫情最严重的时候，两家公司都裁员，作为削减成本的一部分。Uber裁员约6,700人，Lyft解雇了1,000名员工，另外288人暂时休假。Uber还一直在削减亏损业务，例如剥离其自动驾驶部门。</blockquote> Uber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after&nbsp;an initial public offering that valued Didi highly&nbsp;but before&nbsp;actions by China took the shares down&nbsp;more than 50%.<blockquote>优步实际上在周四公布了其作为上市公司的第二季度GAAP盈利能力，这是第二次，因为其对中国竞争对手滴滴出行的投资获得了账面收益。这项投资为资产负债表增加了高达14亿美元的资金，因为Uber于6月30日对其进行了估值，就在首次公开募股对滴滴进行了高估值之后，但在中国采取行动导致其股价下跌超过50%之前。</blockquote> No matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.<blockquote>无论这些公司记录了多少账面收益或削减了多少开支——并预计Uber将在其必须证明的第四季度业绩之前宣布更多——或者他们试图将成本（包括汽车所有权）推给临时工，Lyft和Uber都没有看起来更接近实际的GAAP盈利能力。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.<blockquote>Uber和Lyft的股票都有折扣，均低于各自2019年首次公开募股的价格：Uber更接近其45美元的IPO价格，周四收于43.07美元，而Lyft的交易价格比其IPO价格低约33%。</blockquote> After two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.<blockquote>两年多来，优步和Lyft都通过为消费者提供受欢迎的服务获得了数十亿美元的收入，人们可能会认为优步和Lyft可能更接近实际盈利能力。较低的股价为投资者提供了潜在的买入机会，但如果你这样做了，也不要指望很快就能看到实际利润。</blockquote>\n<div class=\"bt-text\">\n\n\n 来源：<a href=\"https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uber-and-lyft-are-staging-a-ridiculous-race-for-fake-profits-11628205337?mod=home-page\">MarketWatch</a>\n为提升您的阅读体验，我们对本页面进行了排版优化\n\n\n</div>\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"LYFT":"Lyft, Inc.","UBER":"优步"},"source_url":"https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uber-and-lyft-are-staging-a-ridiculous-race-for-fake-profits-11628205337?mod=home-page","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1135807500","content_text":"Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little hope of turning an actual profit anytime soon\nIt appears that the only way Uber and Lyft will be able to show any actual profit figure is to cut.\nUber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are racing to prove to investors that they can be “profitable,” so expect even more cuts and made-up metrics on the road ahead.\nWhen the two ride-hailing companies reported earnings this week, Lyft managed to show positive adjusted Ebitda results, a longstanding goal, thanks to immense cost-cutting. Uber reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.\nWhile both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.\nUber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.\n“No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”\nUber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday over investor jitters about its outlook.\nThese types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.\nIt would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs and Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.\nUber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after an initial public offering that valued Didi highly but before actions by China took the shares down more than 50%.\nNo matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.\nUber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.\nAfter two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"UBER":0.9,"LYFT":0.9}},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"comments":[{"id":5442260,"gmtCreate":1628214828325,"gmtModify":1635158825536,"authorId":3577523199494654,"author":{"id":3577523199494654,"idStr":"3577523199494654","authorId":3577523199494654,"name":"88huat","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/25dd805cbb44e8ac7c9eb01650c81b9f","vip":1,"crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":899735448,"type":1,"supId":0,"prevId":0,"content":"Ok","text":"Ok","html":"Ok"}],"langContent":"EN"},{"id":899736605,"gmtCreate":1628214419607,"gmtModify":1633752544048,"author":{"id":"3585889404495674","authorId":"3585889404495674","name":"KeenLee","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/43c0bfe9c8189d73470475a7121102b2","vip":1,"crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"authorIdStr":"3585889404495674","idStr":"3585889404495674"},"htmlText":"Very disappointing","listText":"Very disappointing","text":"Very disappointing","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/899736605","repostId":1135807500,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1135807500","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1628214290,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/1135807500?lang=zh_CN&edition=full","pubTime":"2021-08-06 09:44","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Uber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits<blockquote>优步和Lyft正在上演一场荒谬的虚假利润竞赛</blockquote>","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1135807500","media":"MarketWatch","summary":"Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the en","content":"Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little hope of turning an actual profit anytime soon<blockquote>Lyft终于在第二季度显示出正的调整后Ebitda，而Uber则承诺在年底前实现这一目标，但这些都不值得欢呼，因为公司继续经营业务，短期内实现实际利润的希望渺茫</blockquote> <img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c1ac2b3a2871ea61cbb1975f552e20e5\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"466\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\">It appears that the only way Uber and Lyft will be able to show any actual profit figure is to cut.<blockquote>看来优步和Lyft能够显示任何实际利润数字的唯一方法就是削减利润。</blockquote> Uber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are racing to prove to investors that they can be “profitable,” so expect even more cuts and made-up metrics on the road ahead.<blockquote>优步科技公司和Lyft公司正在竞相向投资者证明他们可以“盈利”，因此预计未来的道路上将出现更多削减和虚构指标。</blockquote> When the two ride-hailing companies reported earnings this week, Lyft&nbsp;managed to show positive adjusted Ebitda results, a longstanding goal, thanks to immense cost-cutting. Uber&nbsp;reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected&nbsp;for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.<blockquote>当这两家网约车公司本周公布财报时，由于大幅削减成本，Lyft成功展示了积极的调整后Ebitda业绩，这是一个长期目标。优步公布的第二季度调整后净亏损比华尔街预期的要大，同时仍承诺在年底前在其资产负债表上显示绿色，而且在调整后的Ebitda基础上也显示绿色。</blockquote> While both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.<blockquote>虽然两家公司继续告诉投资者，实现这一目标表明了“盈利能力”，但事实肯定并非如此——网约车公司继续证明他们的业务没有盈利，而且很可能不会像目前那样构建。两家公司都通过最近的业绩证明了其昂贵的问题，尽管他们继续努力将司机作为独立承包商留在世界各地，以避免不断增加的员工成本。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million&nbsp;to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.<blockquote>随着COVID-19 Delta变种的传播，Uber和Lyft最近一直在大力投资以吸引更多司机。4月初，Uber公布了一项计划，斥资2.5亿美元，通过向司机发放奖金来吸引他们重返平台，因为疫情似乎开始缓解。Lyft在电话会议中表示，该公司在激励措施上花费了3.75亿美元，并将其归类为“反向收入”，预计第三季度“反向收入”将超过3.76亿美元。</blockquote> “No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”<blockquote>当被问及达美航空对网约车业务的影响时，Uber首席执行官达拉·科斯罗萨西(Dara Khosrowshahi)告诉分析师：“没有人能够预测达美航空未来会发生什么。”“但到目前为止，我们已经进行了对冲，而且我们看到的趋势相当不错。”</blockquote> Uber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday&nbsp;over investor jitters about its outlook.<blockquote>Uber通过其Uber Eats优食业务进行了对冲，该业务在疫情期间向消费者提供餐厅餐食的业务出现了大幅增长，而乘车业务则放缓，但该业务也尚未显示出盈利能力。Lyft没有如此庞大的额外业务，由于投资者对其前景感到不安，其股价在周二公布财报后暴跌。</blockquote> These types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of&nbsp;California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.<blockquote>一旦疫情平静下来，这些类型的成本不会消失。例如，加利福尼亚州将要求到2030年几乎所有拼车车辆都是电动的，这就提出了一个巨大的问题：谁将为这一转变买单，因为司机拥有自己的汽车。联邦政府正在关注零工经济的做法，并可能迫使做出增加成本的改变，而优步和Lyft则吹捧“第三条道路”，他们在加州证明这也需要更高的成本。</blockquote> It would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs&nbsp;and&nbsp;Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.<blockquote>这些公司能够展示任何利润数据的唯一方法，无论与实际净利润有多远，似乎就是削减。去年，在疫情最严重的时候，两家公司都裁员，作为削减成本的一部分。Uber裁员约6,700人，Lyft解雇了1,000名员工，另外288人暂时休假。Uber还一直在削减亏损业务，例如剥离其自动驾驶部门。</blockquote> Uber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after&nbsp;an initial public offering that valued Didi highly&nbsp;but before&nbsp;actions by China took the shares down&nbsp;more than 50%.<blockquote>优步实际上在周四公布了其作为上市公司的第二季度GAAP盈利能力，这是第二次，因为其对中国竞争对手滴滴出行的投资获得了账面收益。这项投资为资产负债表增加了高达14亿美元的资金，因为Uber于6月30日对其进行了估值，就在首次公开募股对滴滴进行了高估值之后，但在中国采取行动导致其股价下跌超过50%之前。</blockquote> No matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.<blockquote>无论这些公司记录了多少账面收益或削减了多少开支——并预计Uber将在其必须证明的第四季度业绩之前宣布更多——或者他们试图将成本（包括汽车所有权）推给临时工，Lyft和Uber都没有看起来更接近实际的GAAP盈利能力。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.<blockquote>Uber和Lyft的股票都有折扣，均低于各自2019年首次公开募股的价格：Uber更接近其45美元的IPO价格，周四收于43.07美元，而Lyft的交易价格比其IPO价格低约33%。</blockquote> After two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.<blockquote>两年多来，优步和Lyft都通过为消费者提供受欢迎的服务获得了数十亿美元的收入，人们可能会认为优步和Lyft可能更接近实际盈利能力。较低的股价为投资者提供了潜在的买入机会，但如果你这样做了，也不要指望很快就能看到实际利润。</blockquote>","source":"lsy1603348471595","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Uber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits<blockquote>优步和Lyft正在上演一场荒谬的虚假利润竞赛</blockquote></title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 12.5px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nUber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits<blockquote>优步和Lyft正在上演一场荒谬的虚假利润竞赛</blockquote>\n</h2>\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\nMarketWatch2021-08-06 09:44\n\n</h4>\n</header>\n<article>\nLyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little hope of turning an actual profit anytime soon<blockquote>Lyft终于在第二季度显示出正的调整后Ebitda，而Uber则承诺在年底前实现这一目标，但这些都不值得欢呼，因为公司继续经营业务，短期内实现实际利润的希望渺茫</blockquote> <img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c1ac2b3a2871ea61cbb1975f552e20e5\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"466\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\">It appears that the only way Uber and Lyft will be able to show any actual profit figure is to cut.<blockquote>看来优步和Lyft能够显示任何实际利润数字的唯一方法就是削减利润。</blockquote> Uber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are racing to prove to investors that they can be “profitable,” so expect even more cuts and made-up metrics on the road ahead.<blockquote>优步科技公司和Lyft公司正在竞相向投资者证明他们可以“盈利”，因此预计未来的道路上将出现更多削减和虚构指标。</blockquote> When the two ride-hailing companies reported earnings this week, Lyft&nbsp;managed to show positive adjusted Ebitda results, a longstanding goal, thanks to immense cost-cutting. Uber&nbsp;reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected&nbsp;for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.<blockquote>当这两家网约车公司本周公布财报时，由于大幅削减成本，Lyft成功展示了积极的调整后Ebitda业绩，这是一个长期目标。优步公布的第二季度调整后净亏损比华尔街预期的要大，同时仍承诺在年底前在其资产负债表上显示绿色，而且在调整后的Ebitda基础上也显示绿色。</blockquote> While both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.<blockquote>虽然两家公司继续告诉投资者，实现这一目标表明了“盈利能力”，但事实肯定并非如此——网约车公司继续证明他们的业务没有盈利，而且很可能不会像目前那样构建。两家公司都通过最近的业绩证明了其昂贵的问题，尽管他们继续努力将司机作为独立承包商留在世界各地，以避免不断增加的员工成本。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million&nbsp;to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.<blockquote>随着COVID-19 Delta变种的传播，Uber和Lyft最近一直在大力投资以吸引更多司机。4月初，Uber公布了一项计划，斥资2.5亿美元，通过向司机发放奖金来吸引他们重返平台，因为疫情似乎开始缓解。Lyft在电话会议中表示，该公司在激励措施上花费了3.75亿美元，并将其归类为“反向收入”，预计第三季度“反向收入”将超过3.76亿美元。</blockquote> “No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”<blockquote>当被问及达美航空对网约车业务的影响时，Uber首席执行官达拉·科斯罗萨西(Dara Khosrowshahi)告诉分析师：“没有人能够预测达美航空未来会发生什么。”“但到目前为止，我们已经进行了对冲，而且我们看到的趋势相当不错。”</blockquote> Uber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday&nbsp;over investor jitters about its outlook.<blockquote>Uber通过其Uber Eats优食业务进行了对冲，该业务在疫情期间向消费者提供餐厅餐食的业务出现了大幅增长，而乘车业务则放缓，但该业务也尚未显示出盈利能力。Lyft没有如此庞大的额外业务，由于投资者对其前景感到不安，其股价在周二公布财报后暴跌。</blockquote> These types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of&nbsp;California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.<blockquote>一旦疫情平静下来，这些类型的成本不会消失。例如，加利福尼亚州将要求到2030年几乎所有拼车车辆都是电动的，这就提出了一个巨大的问题：谁将为这一转变买单，因为司机拥有自己的汽车。联邦政府正在关注零工经济的做法，并可能迫使做出增加成本的改变，而优步和Lyft则吹捧“第三条道路”，他们在加州证明这也需要更高的成本。</blockquote> It would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs&nbsp;and&nbsp;Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.<blockquote>这些公司能够展示任何利润数据的唯一方法，无论与实际净利润有多远，似乎就是削减。去年，在疫情最严重的时候，两家公司都裁员，作为削减成本的一部分。Uber裁员约6,700人，Lyft解雇了1,000名员工，另外288人暂时休假。Uber还一直在削减亏损业务，例如剥离其自动驾驶部门。</blockquote> Uber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after&nbsp;an initial public offering that valued Didi highly&nbsp;but before&nbsp;actions by China took the shares down&nbsp;more than 50%.<blockquote>优步实际上在周四公布了其作为上市公司的第二季度GAAP盈利能力，这是第二次，因为其对中国竞争对手滴滴出行的投资获得了账面收益。这项投资为资产负债表增加了高达14亿美元的资金，因为Uber于6月30日对其进行了估值，就在首次公开募股对滴滴进行了高估值之后，但在中国采取行动导致其股价下跌超过50%之前。</blockquote> No matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.<blockquote>无论这些公司记录了多少账面收益或削减了多少开支——并预计Uber将在其必须证明的第四季度业绩之前宣布更多——或者他们试图将成本（包括汽车所有权）推给临时工，Lyft和Uber都没有看起来更接近实际的GAAP盈利能力。</blockquote> Uber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.<blockquote>Uber和Lyft的股票都有折扣，均低于各自2019年首次公开募股的价格：Uber更接近其45美元的IPO价格，周四收于43.07美元，而Lyft的交易价格比其IPO价格低约33%。</blockquote> After two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.<blockquote>两年多来，优步和Lyft都通过为消费者提供受欢迎的服务获得了数十亿美元的收入，人们可能会认为优步和Lyft可能更接近实际盈利能力。较低的股价为投资者提供了潜在的买入机会，但如果你这样做了，也不要指望很快就能看到实际利润。</blockquote>\n<div class=\"bt-text\">\n\n\n 来源：<a href=\"https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uber-and-lyft-are-staging-a-ridiculous-race-for-fake-profits-11628205337?mod=home-page\">MarketWatch</a>\n为提升您的阅读体验，我们对本页面进行了排版优化\n\n\n</div>\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"LYFT":"Lyft, Inc.","UBER":"优步"},"source_url":"https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uber-and-lyft-are-staging-a-ridiculous-race-for-fake-profits-11628205337?mod=home-page","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1135807500","content_text":"Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little hope of turning an actual profit anytime soon\nIt appears that the only way Uber and Lyft will be able to show any actual profit figure is to cut.\nUber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are racing to prove to investors that they can be “profitable,” so expect even more cuts and made-up metrics on the road ahead.\nWhen the two ride-hailing companies reported earnings this week, Lyft managed to show positive adjusted Ebitda results, a longstanding goal, thanks to immense cost-cutting. Uber reported a steeper adjusted net loss than Wall Street had expected for the second quarter, while still promising to show green on its balance sheet — but also on an adjusted-Ebitda basis by the end of the year.\nWhile both companies continue to tell investors that reaching that goal shows “profitability,” it most certainly does not — the ride-hailing companies have continued to prove that their business is not profitable and most likely will not be as currently constructed. Both companies demonstrated their expensive issues with their recent results, even as they continue to fight to keep their drivers around the world as independent contractors to avoid the ever increasing costs of having employees.\nUber and Lyft have been spending heartily to attract more drivers lately as the delta variant of COVID-19 spreads. In early April,Uber unveiled a plan to spend $250 million to lure drivers back to the platform by giving them bonuses, as the pandemic seemed as if it were starting to ease up. Lyft said in its conference call that it spent $375 million in incentives that it classified as “contra revenue,” and it expects that the “contra revenue” will exceed $376 million in the third quarter.\n“No one can predict what’s going to happen with delta going forward,” Uber Chief Executive Dara Khosrowshahi told analysts when asked about its impact on the ride-hailing business. “But so far, we’re hedged and the trends that we’re seeing are pretty good.”\nUber is hedged with its Uber Eats business, which saw a huge surge of growth during the pandemic delivering restaurant meals to consumers while the rides business slowed down, but that business also has not shown itself to be profitable. Lyft does not have such a large additional business, and its stock tumbled after its earnings Tuesday over investor jitters about its outlook.\nThese types of costs will not disappear once the pandemic calms down. For example, the state of California is going to require nearly all ride-sharing vehicles to be electric by 2030, raising the huge question of who is going to pay for that transition, since drivers own their own cars. The federal government has its eyes on the practices of the gig economy, and could force changes that will increase costs, while Uber and Lyft tout a “third way” that they have proved in California will also require higher costs.\nIt would appear that the only way these companies will be able to show any profit figure, no matter how far from actual net income, is to cut.Last year, at the height of the pandemic, both companies shed jobs as part of their cost slashing.Uber cut about 6,700 jobs and Lyft laid off 1,000 employees, furloughing an additional 288.Uber has also been excising money-losing businesses, such as the divestiture of its self-driving unit.\nUber actually showed its second quarter of GAAP profitability as a public company Thursday, and for the second time, it was because of a paper gain on its investment in Chinese rival Didi Global Inc..That investment added a whopping $1.4 billion to the balance sheet because Uber valued it on June 30, just after an initial public offering that valued Didi highly but before actions by China took the shares down more than 50%.\nNo matter how many paper gains recorded or cuts the companies make — and expect Uber to announce more ahead of its must-prove fourth-quarter results — or costs they try to shove onto their gig workers, including car ownership, neither Lyft nor Uber look to be any closer to actual GAAP profitability.\nUber and Lyft stocks are discounted, both lower than what they charged in their respective 2019 initial public offerings: Uber is closer to its $45 IPO price, closing at $43.07 on Thursday, while Lyft is trading about 33% lower than its IPO price.\nAfter two-plus years as public companies that each reap billions of dollars in revenue with popular services for consumers, one might assume that Uber and Lyft might be closer to actual profitability. The lower stock prices give investors a potential opportunity to buy in, but if you do, don’t expect to see actual profit anytime soon.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"UBER":0.9,"LYFT":0.9}},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"}],"isCommentEnd":false,"newsSizeData":{"likeSize":65,"commentSize":7,"repostSize":0,"favoriteSize":0,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false},"APP":{"userAgent":"Mozilla/5.0 AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko; compatible; ClaudeBot/1.0; +claudebot@anthropic.com)","isDev":false,"isTTM":false,"tenantId":"TBCN","deviceId":"web-server-community-laohu8-v3","version":"4.36.2","shortVersion":"4.36.2","platform":"web","vendor":"web","appName":"laohu8","isIOS":false,"isAndroid":false,"isTiger":false,"isTHS":false,"isWeiXin":false,"isWeiXinMini":false,"isWeiBo":false,"isQQ":false,"isBaiduSwan":false,"isBaiduBox":false,"isDingTalk":false,"isToutiao":false,"isOnePlus":false,"isHuaWei":false,"isXiaomi":false,"isXiaomiWebView":false,"isOppo":false,"isVivo":false,"isSamsung":false,"isMobile":false},"href":"/m/news/1135807500","isCrawlerRequest":true}